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Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Do vegan/vegetarians really want something that reminds them of meat products? Why not just make a good meat-free sandwich that doesn't imitate another product?

The Impossible Burger is designed to replace meat. Selling to vegans is the opposite of what they want, their goal is to sell to meat eaters. That's quite literally why the guy started the company.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

I used to feel this way until I tried an impossible burger (1.0, I presume). I thought the only way to allow the more carnivorous of us to have a satisfying meal while eliminating animal suffering was to grow petri dish meat.

Impossible burgers seriously nail the taste and texture and nutritional proportions. It also seems like it will be much more cost effective to create them than the aforementioned petri dish burgers. When I tried an impossible burger it seriously made me excited for the future. The imitation meats from before had some serious problems, but just trust me, you need to try this one if you haven't already.

For context: I am a red blooded American meat eater.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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And probably still not a great choice for diabetics... Unless it's made only of fat & protein....

They designed this to be almost identical to meat. Its primary fat & protein. It was a design goal to match a normal burger specially for low carb people.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#64

I'm happy to see continued growth in this area, but I'm disappointed to see them shifting more toward soy. I'll be sticking with the Beyond Burger for now.

I'd like to see more non-soy veggie convenience products myself. I'd like to eat a more varied diet full of fruits and vegetables, rather than simply replacing meat+dairy+grains with soy+soymilk+grains, but it's really hard to find non-soy veggie products without cooking everything from scratch.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#65

Do vegan/vegetarians really want something that reminds them of meat products? Why not just make a good meat-free sandwich that doesn't imitate another product?

I'm a vegetarian, but I don't like bell peppers, kale, quinoa, raw tomato, mustard, dill, vinegar, and mayo (vegan or not). I like apples and spinach but they do not like me.

This still leaves plenty of options for a sandwich, but then I have to worry about buying produce and keeping it fresh. The more variety in what I buy, the bigger the hassle.

Augmentmenting a smaller amount of fresh produce with (freezable) fake meats gives me a lot more options, not to mention the benefits when I eat out (take away bell peppers and most veggie options on the menu vanish)

Plenty of vegetarians/vegans agree with you. Plenty of us do not.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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post #46
post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

Being born in India, I've had the privilege to eat vegetarian meals that can rival even the best meat based meal. While I welcome 'impossible' meat replacements, it is funny that the meat reduction movement is looking at such impractical and immature products instead of simpler solutions such as bringing veg friendly cuisines to the fore. I am opposed to advocating for cold-turkey veganism though. Milk products and e…

In my opinion Indian cuisine is the way to go for vegetarians. There are a ton of great dishes that make vegetables and beans shine without trying to imitate meat. I like veggie burgers from time to time but I don't think meat imitation products are good long term path.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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post #62
post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

I used to feel this way until I tried an impossible burger (1.0, I presume). I thought the only way to allow the more carnivorous of us to have a satisfying meal while eliminating animal suffering was to grow petri dish meat. Impossible burgers seriously nail the taste and texture and nutritional proportions. It also seems like it will be much more cost effective to create them than the aforementioned petri dish burg…

I find this interesting. I tried an Impossible Burger a while ago and I didn't find it to taste like meat at all.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

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Congrats to that team for building a great product. I hope they see a lot of success. Long term, I hope plant based meat alternatives become commoditized. If there are a bunch of alternatives that taste just as good and importantly are cheaper than meat , most people will switch. That's a huge win for the environment (and also animal rights), and I can't wait to see it happen.

This is about the only kind of vegan proselytizing that I can stomach. If you can make food that tastes as good as meat, with nutrition similar to meat, and sell it at a lower price than meat, I will switch overnight, and never look back. And it would be nice if it came in bulk forms, rather than just as pre-formed patties. I eat ground beef a lot more often than I eat burgers. Until then, good luck with the test kit…

This. I want my tacos and burgers to taste like tacos and burgers. I don't care whether it's "real" beef or not. If someone's selling 80/20 that's blended with some plant product (or even just 100% plant product) and it's substantially cheaper than 80/20 and tastes about the same then that's what I'm gonna buy.

So far no option like that exists on the shelf. All the fake meat options cater to the people who shop at whole foods and I'll take value priced 80/20 over that any day.

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crops are also not perfectly efficient, but it's simply replacing two chained instances of inefficiencies with one. Instead of Crops -> Animal feed -> Cattle -> Meat -> Eat you have Crops -> some processing -> Eat

Then there's the 92% of grazing land that doesn't grow crops. That's a clear win for cattle.

According to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization [1] "just less than half the world's usable surface is covered by grazing systems" and "Grazing systems supply about 9 percent of the world's production of beef and about 30 percent of the world's production of sheep and goat meat."

Doesn't seem like such a clear win for cattle. They do note that "For an estimated 100 million people in arid areas, and probably a similar number in other zones, grazing livestock is the only possible source of livelihood.", so not everyone might be able to afford a vegetarian diet, but 91% of beef seems replaceable.

[1] http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5303E/x5303e05.htm#chapter%202:%2...

Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal

#70
post #6

That's really cool. Although I wish there were more vegan food that didn't try to replicate non-vegan textures and flavors. Imitation can only be playing catch-up. The best vegan and vegetarian food does its own thing.

I say whatever sells more non-meat burgers is good. Telling a die-hard meat eater to just eat a mushroom or some eggplant is not going to be effective.

I'm a die-hard meat eater and I'd eat a lot of a tasty veggie sandwich patty. I need more veggies in my diet but it's hard to get enough without cooking.

It doesn't have to be a fake burger. Just something tasty for a healthy daily dose of vegetables.

For me, soy doesn't qualify. It's one of the most common crops in the world and there's already enough of it in other things I eat.

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