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Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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xfitm3 wrote: post #57
newnewpdro wrote: post #40

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You're ignoring how life-altering it becomes as one ages and the immune system declines. I've had elderly relatives down with shingles, caused by the herpes virus, for months . Their shingles being a very latent reappearance of Chickenpox acquired in childhood. These viruses are opportunistic, and you will grow weaker in time, if you don't die first. The stigma, in this case, is appropriate in my opinion. It surprise…

Can you provide a source other than anecdotes of relatives?

A source for what, that people's immune systems weaken as they age?

WRT Herpes Simplex recurrence in particular: "Causes of recurrence may include: decreased immune function, stress, and sunlight exposure." [1]

This isn't unique to Herpes, if you have HPV it's going to be an increasing nuisance with age. A major component of what makes growing old awful is everything your immune system kept in check slowly consumes you.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex

Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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velosol wrote: post #47
newnewpdro wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're ignoring how life-altering it becomes as one ages and the immune system declines. I've had elderly relatives down with shingles, caused by the herpes virus, for months . Their shingles being a very latent reappearance of Chickenpox acquired in childhood. These viruses are opportunistic, and you will grow weaker in time, if you don't die first. The stigma, in this case, is appropriate in my opinion. It surprise…

>I'm confident once we have them, it will conveniently become "discovered" that HSV has been quietly responsible for some prolific form of suffering like Alzheimers and/or Parkinsons all this time. Not sure if you were making reference to a specific belief, but there's already some evidence that HSV1 may be part of the Alzheimer's cause puzzle [1]. [1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4019841/

I'd read some inconclusive but suggestive articles correlating them in the past.

Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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Post by olyjohn »

jessaustin wrote: post #56
jobigoud wrote: post #53

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Same. Capture a few and have them breed and collect the reward for the offsprings.

How many Floridians would hear about wild animals with horrible deadly diseases and think "I need to start breeding these in my basement"?

Depends on how big the reward is for one of the animals.

Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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Post by honkycat »

Alex3917 wrote: post #52
honkycat wrote: post #10

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IMO this is the most pragmatic solution. Why keep around an invasive species that carries a deadly virus?

> Why keep around an invasive species that carries a deadly virus? They’re not invasive, and not a single person in history has died from being bitten by a wild monkey with herpes b despite thousands of people being bitten per year.

I was using the term "invasive" as non-native, but I suppose this is misusing the word since they are not actively harmful and nobody will probably get herpes from them.

Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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Post by newnewpdro »

xfitm3 wrote: post #57
newnewpdro wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're ignoring how life-altering it becomes as one ages and the immune system declines. I've had elderly relatives down with shingles, caused by the herpes virus, for months . Their shingles being a very latent reappearance of Chickenpox acquired in childhood. These viruses are opportunistic, and you will grow weaker in time, if you don't die first. The stigma, in this case, is appropriate in my opinion. It surprise…

Can you provide a source other than anecdotes of relatives?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunosenescence

Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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Post by jessaustin »

mikestew wrote: post #60
jessaustin wrote: post #56

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How many Floridians would hear about wild animals with horrible deadly diseases and think "I need to start breeding these in my basement"?

Based on my visits to my parents down there, and other visits over the years, my tourist slogan for Florida is “The Land of Bad Ideas”. You won’t see it at Disney World, but seems to me that FL attracts folks that tend to not think things through to their conclusion. So to answer your question: more than you might think.

...FL attracts folks that tend to not think things through to their conclusion.

Haha yeah they moved to Florida, didn't they?

Re: Wild monkeys with killer herpes are breeding like crazy in Florida

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Post by kenlucas »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #32
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #21

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There are a few promising technologies in the works though. The helicase-primase inhibitor Pritelivir is more effective than Acyclovir and related nucleoside analogues. It is also understood that the efficacy of both drugs accumulates. A few labs are working on CRISPR therapeutics for HSV, most notably Keith Jerome's work at Fred Hutch. Another company, Phylogica, are taking a different approach. I'm not exactly sure…

I'd pay a pretty penny for a cure, or total suppression of transmission. It's not life altering in any way besides the fact that HSV2 has such a strong stigma in the US and tends to turn away a non insignificant number of romantic partners. From a health perspective, I had a rash once in my life and basically entirely forgot about even having it (outside of taking 800mg of Acyclovir every day), but from a social pers…

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