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Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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Patreon also works great for some sites (and not at all for some others). To be honest, I don't particularly like Wikipedia's huge banners with pleas to get the last few millions in donations. If every site did that users were as annoyed as they are by regular ads. A donation model might be the best thing to do, we just have to find the best way to implement it.

Is that annoyance worse than being blocked from the page? EDIT: serious question, because if it is, I can restrict content on my website.

It can be, especially if everyone starts doing it--as is increasingly the case. At some point, I'm fine with just doing without sites that have a hard paywall whereas having all, or at least many/most, sites annoy me for donations/subscriptions degrades using the Internet as a whole.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. The police force on either side can be completely different, things that can get you in a lot of trouble like gun laws can be different on either side, prices and taxes can be very different. In the UK a city boundary doesn't really mean anything. There might be a nice 'Welcome to X' sign but nothing really changes as it would in the US. I'm not even s…

My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. I’d be hard-pressed to think of a time it made a lick of difference to me, having lived in the U. S. my entire life. “Don’t carry a handgun to Chicago”, okay, file that one away. “If you’re black”, and I’m not, “don’t stop for gas in Martinsville, IN”. Though that one might not still be true, I’d still stay away from Elwood, my Afro-American friend. Ot…

A good example is that the Las Vegas Strip is actually very carefully just outside Las Vegas, in order to avoid the control of the city.

If you search you can easily find examples of people being arrested for doing something inside a city, which (presumably) have been legal if they'd done it just outside of the city.

https://www.jcolaw.com/discharging-a-weapon-within-city-limi...

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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>Microdonation platforms like flattr fail to gain any traction What about Wikipedia? I run my website in this fashion.

Patreon also works great for some sites (and not at all for some others). To be honest, I don't particularly like Wikipedia's huge banners with pleas to get the last few millions in donations. If every site did that users were as annoyed as they are by regular ads. A donation model might be the best thing to do, we just have to find the best way to implement it.

I used to feel guilty about the Wikipedia donation banner, but so much of that spending seems to go elsewhere:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

Was wikipedia really 3.5x more expensive to host in 2016 than 2010? Why? (Previous HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14287235 )

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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The accent was on "the mayor for fifty years". Local government is still a government. Things like this and the Electoral College make US an archaic democracy. Maybe it's better to fix your own system, before trying to teach others? The fact that you had a banana republic with a life-long dictator just 5 miles from downtown LA - speaks something. No criticism, more like a surprise. I don't care about politics and eve…

It's notable that when the U.S. tries to help install democracy in other countries they don't attempt to install their own presidential system. Among its flaws is that it is exceedingly difficult to amend. It's fun but not helpful to pretend other countries are ignorant of their own problems and have monolithic opinions (in which case, why vote?).

Among its strengths is that it is exceedingly difficult to amend.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. I’d be hard-pressed to think of a time it made a lick of difference to me, having lived in the U. S. my entire life. “Don’t carry a handgun to Chicago”, okay, file that one away. “If you’re black”, and I’m not, “don’t stop for gas in Martinsville, IN”. Though that one might not still be true, I’d still stay away from Elwood, my Afro-American friend. Ot…

A good example is that the Las Vegas Strip is actually very carefully just outside Las Vegas, in order to avoid the control of the city. If you search you can easily find examples of people being arrested for doing something inside a city, which (presumably) have been legal if they'd done it just outside of the city. https://www.jcolaw.com/discharging-a-weapon-within-city-limi...

That’s my point: why do I care where the strip is legally located? Casinos have reason to care, I don’t.

And if you’re discharging a firearm, yeah, you better make for damned sure you’re allowed (what was my one example that wasn’t related to race?). Your linked example calls out towns I’ve lived near (lived in Gastonia), and the reason there’s a need for such lawyers is due to morons that think ownership of a firearm and a box of ammo is all they need to shoot in their suburban backyard. But that’s not city-specific, it’s a safe bet that if you’re within city limits anywhere in the U. S. you best assume discharging a firearm is illegal (it probably is) until proven otherwise.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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That paywall just led to me blacklisting the entire economist.com domain at extension level. Too bad. Don't do paywalls like that please.

Off-topic, but you should want to pay for news. You should want to pay a lot.

Which kind of meal would you prefer?

1) Expensive, tasty and healthy.

2) Cheap and loaded with sugar (so you come back to get more) while ads flash all around your plate and on the tip of your fork.

Same goes with cars, cosmetics, education. For some reason paying more for those goods is universally accepted. Why wouldn't people want to pay to get high quality news? "No sir, just give me the lowest quality, most clickbait news you have. Yes, I strongly prefer that to paying $10 a month."

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. The police force on either side can be completely different, things that can get you in a lot of trouble like gun laws can be different on either side, prices and taxes can be very different. In the UK a city boundary doesn't really mean anything. There might be a nice 'Welcome to X' sign but nothing really changes as it would in the US. I'm not even s…

It can depend on the particular U.S. State. It's sometimes useful for non-Americans to think of the U.S. like a federation of weak semi-autonomous countries. Each state more or less runs their own affairs unless there's some federal interest in which case the national interest overrides the state one. What this means for this topic is that states organize their territories in sometimes different ways that can seem sometimes bizarre to outsiders.

For example, Connecticut divides itself into eight large counties and those counties are further divided into towns. Thus the meaning of "town" in Connecticut means a geographic subdivision and may have nothing or little to do with there actually being a cluster of buildings or even any interesting population at all. In fact, in Connecticut, a city is located within a town and is subordinate to it! Towns may set their own general method of local governance but are subordinate to their counties and then to their state.

Louisiana is divided into Parishes that mapped to the Catholic Parishes present in the 19th century instead of counties and are generally run by a governmental body called a Police-Jury which is a combined legislative/executive body with enormous local powers.

Virginia is divided into counties, which may have towns and other kinds of human settlements. But cities are independent of their surrounding county and act at a parallel level to counties in terms of political power. The county seat where the county government resides may or may not be in a city, but if it is there will be a parallel and equally powerful city government in the same area. Cities in Virginia, as defined governmental territories have very controlled borders, but may have very small populations. But in other areas, the cities are so large they no longer exist within a county at all and the historic county no longer exists. This has impacts mostly for taxes, schooling and property. But practically the most you would notice is that you could eat at a restaurant on one side of a street and cross to the other to get some coffee and pay a different sales tax on either side.

It goes on from there. From a practical standpoint, it almost entirely affects the locals and can be a deciding factor with where people choose to live. For outsiders, it doesn't matter much except that your sales tax might be highly variable as you transit through local governing zones.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. The police force on either side can be completely different, things that can get you in a lot of trouble like gun laws can be different on either side, prices and taxes can be very different. In the UK a city boundary doesn't really mean anything. There might be a nice 'Welcome to X' sign but nothing really changes as it would in the US. I'm not even s…

My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. I’d be hard-pressed to think of a time it made a lick of difference to me, having lived in the U. S. my entire life. “Don’t carry a handgun to Chicago”, okay, file that one away. “If you’re black”, and I’m not, “don’t stop for gas in Martinsville, IN”. Though that one might not still be true, I’d still stay away from Elwood, my Afro-American friend. Ot…

Have you ever lived or worked in a city? If so, you probably paid several thousand dollars in taxes.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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I want libertarians and anarchists to read this kind of stuff and start to consider that maybe cities are organizations that compete and cooperate, just like companies and unions.

Disneyworld is a city owned by a corporation, next door is a democratically run city. The Disney corporation has a sort of democracy of sharholders too, which elects a board etc.

Businesses renting space in DisneyWorld are not much different than businesses setting up a taxable nexus in a city or state. In both cases, force is used by the “landlord” to extract rents/taxes and if you don’t like it, you can go somewhere else. It is a “free market” of cities and states.

The exception is states where you are not allowed to leave. That is indeed a major difference.

But overall, libertarians and anarchists often single out “THE STATE” or “THE GOVERNMENT” for special thrashing, when governments are simply management teams of organizations, and the difference is mostly of scale. If anything, a democratically run city is more benign than a city which is run top-down.

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