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Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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I am really annoyed by Siri these days. I was so excited when they introduced it in 2011 (?). But I feel like there was almost no progress since then. It’s so painful to use Siri even for the simplest of tasks

I don’t use Siri enough to have a personal opinion but read this article. Someone who tested 800 questions (on a HomePod not iPhone) and earlier this year got 52% correct responses and now got 74% right. From that it looks like it’s improving quite rapidly. See comparison Siri Alexa google and Cortana: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/20/siri-on-homepod-vs-alex...

>From that it looks like it’s improving quite rapidly.

I fear the challenge will be one of perception. Speech is really a make-or-break first impression kind of technology, since speech is so personal. I'm afraid that Siri will need to become twice as better as the competition to regain the trust of users that it won't completely fail them, or even to just get them to retry it.

I wonder if, in the future, there will be some sort of marketing push called "Siri 2.0" or maybe even regular "releases" (even though I'm sure it's not updated on that kind of cadence). Since the technology is all invisible, there's no way to tell that something has changed, unlike a traditional OS, which changes its appearance even slightly.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Hopefully this is a signal that Apple is going to take steps to improve Siri. If Apple can find a way to get the best of both worlds from data privacy and machine learning then it will have been well worth the wait.

Honestly voice control is a gimmick to me, I much prefer Apple to make exactly zero compromises on privacy and have Siri languish.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

Conversely - Privacy is becoming a bigger and bigger issue and there is only one company that has shown any ability in that area to stand up for it in fundamental design choices.

And that's Apple.

There will never be a Google or Amazon device in my house and I'm not the only one who feels that way. In fact most of my non-technical friends find Google Home & Alexa "convenient but creepy" (to quote one excellent summation).

Most of Google and Amazon's "lead" is due to their extremely user-hostile privacy stances. That's an existential problem of their own in the next 5-10 years for these products.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Actually they fixed that 2 years ago: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/12/6/13858354/app... https://machinelearning.apple.com/

But... they didn't. In the very page you linked, try to find a single name of a concrete researcher who wrote/contributed to the article. If there's no name on the paper it's not "publishing".

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/25/apple-wins-best-paper-prestig...

Names are there. Check the arxiv link.

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Shifts in computing paradigms are incredibly rare. The smartphone is unlikely to be replaced for a long time to come. There will be plenty of head fakes along the way no doubt (smart speakers and voice bots come to mind), but the smartphone is simply too good and has too much utility to be easily challenged. And you also have to make a bet that Apple won't come to dominate that area as well (even if they aren't first…

> Shifts in computing paradigms are incredibly rare. They've only happened every decade so far: 1960 (IC), 1970 (DARPA), 1980 (PC), 1990 (GUI), 2000 (Internet), 2010 (smartphone).

The GUI is not something I'd break out separately from the PC. And the internet is something that massively improved the utility of PCs and increased demand for them, it wasn't something that was going to replace it.

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SVP is probably a very important position in corporate AAPL, however, I will feel more excited for Apple if someone like Chris Lattner would join/return as chief AI/ML engineer.

Chris latner is probably at google because google pays him better.

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I'll take that bet. The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least. Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category.

> The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least. How? The improvements to the iPhone are less compelling every year, while the prices are going up. The company recently stopped reporting iPhone sales numbers. > Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category. Are they, though? Aren't Mac sales insignificant compared to iPhone sa…

> improvements to the iPhone are less compelling every year

[citation needed]

> Haven't the latest Macbooks suffered from significant feature regressions?

No.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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I am really annoyed by Siri these days. I was so excited when they introduced it in 2011 (?). But I feel like there was almost no progress since then. It’s so painful to use Siri even for the simplest of tasks

I don’t use Siri enough to have a personal opinion but read this article. Someone who tested 800 questions (on a HomePod not iPhone) and earlier this year got 52% correct responses and now got 74% right. From that it looks like it’s improving quite rapidly. See comparison Siri Alexa google and Cortana: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/20/siri-on-homepod-vs-alex...

Maybe. I don’t have any comparison. And I haven’t used Siri for a long time. But I started again 1-2 weeks ago and I’m super annoyed because it’s such a pain.

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Shifts in computing paradigms are incredibly rare. The smartphone is unlikely to be replaced for a long time to come. There will be plenty of head fakes along the way no doubt (smart speakers and voice bots come to mind), but the smartphone is simply too good and has too much utility to be easily challenged. And you also have to make a bet that Apple won't come to dominate that area as well (even if they aren't first…

> Shifts in computing paradigms are incredibly rare. They've only happened every decade so far: 1960 (IC), 1970 (DARPA), 1980 (PC), 1990 (GUI), 2000 (Internet), 2010 (smartphone).

Are you calling out the time these became mainstream? I'd argue if the PC can be slotted in at 1980 (the IBM PC didn't come out until 1981), the GUI should be listed as 1984, not 1990. Alternatively, the PC should be listed a lot later.

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I'll take that bet. The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least. Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category.

> The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least. How? The improvements to the iPhone are less compelling every year, while the prices are going up. The company recently stopped reporting iPhone sales numbers. > Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category. Are they, though? Aren't Mac sales insignificant compared to iPhone sa…

Tbf macbooks/imacs still make good money... just completely overblown by iphone sales. Apparently ~25b for macs in general for the last 3 years at least: www.statista.com/chart/amp/13710/apple-revenue-by-product-group/
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