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Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by mfukar »

rbanffy wrote: post #56
mfukar wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rbanffy is anti-Microsoft, and doesn't waste a second in making it known. It's no use trying to reason or discuss with him about this - others have tried.

I am not "anti-Microsoft". I am just old enough. I also worry, considering recent moves (and that's not only from Microsoft), that some companies (Microsoft among them) may be taking strategic positions to disrupt the free and open-source software ecosystems that threaten their dominance of their niches. Yesterday, for instance, Oracle made a huge PR splash in the MySQL space. One can't ignore it.

I am not "anti-Microsoft". I am just old enough.

I say it here, it comes out there. :-)

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by pufuwozu »

scalyweb wrote: post #3

Great News! Mono here we come...

Miguel has left a very suspicious tweet:

"There is a rumor on the tweetosphere of an F# addin for MonoDevelop being demoed tomorrow ;-)"

http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/384890042327040

This is very exciting!

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by ntoshev »

kamechan wrote: post #43
kamechan wrote: post #39

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worth a bit, actually. a letter from ballmer (or gates) saying, "dude, nice work" would be even better. :D

on this subject, just went watch some netflix on my maverick meerkat install (on a macbook) and clicking on "install silverlight" on a microsoft site redirected me to the "mono moonlight" project. if that's not acceptance, i don't know what is. EDIT: sadly, netflix won't let me watch movies without win or mac (silverlight plugin notwithstanding).

I think moonlight can't show you any DRMed content; it's still the technology that is at fault.

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by rbanffy »

mfukar wrote: post #61
rbanffy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not "anti-Microsoft". I am just old enough. I also worry, considering recent moves (and that's not only from Microsoft), that some companies (Microsoft among them) may be taking strategic positions to disrupt the free and open-source software ecosystems that threaten their dominance of their niches. Yesterday, for instance, Oracle made a huge PR splash in the MySQL space. One can't ignore it.

I am not "anti-Microsoft". I am just old enough. I say it here, it comes out there. :-)

I'm also consistent. ;-)

I've been able to observe Microsoft for about 30 years and one thing you learn is that they play hard. They too are very consistent.

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by MichaelGG »

ntoshev wrote: post #64
gphil wrote: post #2

This is a good move. With Java under Oracle's control, Microsoft has a lot to gain by embracing open source licensing.

To run F# you need .Net runtime, which is as closed as it can be. It's like Sun open sourcing the Java compiler but not the JVM.

I guess you haven't heard of http://mono-project.com. The F# team tries to ensure it works well on Mono, and the same for the Mono team.

On top of that, the specifications for the CLR are standardized.

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by mfukar »

konad wrote: post #51
mfukar wrote: post #40

First IronPython & IronRuby ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1833772 ) and now this. I have to say, Microsoft is (or seems to be, depending on your philosophical disposition) increasingly embracing FOSS, and that's a very good move not only for them, but also the community.

Or using the dumping of stuff they don't care about to gain positive press from people who will never use them.

You're not implying that nobody uses F# or IronPython, right? That aside, I'm not in a position to know their motivation behind it, I can only say it's a good move for the FOSS community.

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by gaius »

Raphael wrote: post #54
sliverstorm wrote: post #42

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Yeah, Matlab seems to be pretty useless if you want to do anything besides pure math. I mean, that's really all computers are at the core- math- but you know what I mean.

I'd say computers are more applied math than pure math

Mathematica is more oriented towards pure maths (e.g. symbolic maniplation) and MATLAB more towards applied (numerical methods).

Re: Microsoft releases F# under Apache 2.0 license

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Post by gaius »

ericflo wrote: post #29
luffy wrote: post #14

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They can't afford to do otherwise. Accepting community contributions will increase the MS surface area for copyright/patent infringements. The F# team is mostly a research outfit - they aren't going to vet patches.

Sorry, I just don't buy this. From Google, to Yahoo, to other teams in Microsoft, to small startups, to IBM, to single-person freelance developers--each one of these groups have open source projects that accept community contributions. If that increased the "surface area for copyright/patent infringements" were so great, or were such a dramatic burden, then the above would not be true. But it is true. Let's look at C…

If you want to submit patches for code written by the same guys, there's always GHC.
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