Anyone requiring special hardware for their work is a fool to use Apple computers.
Ah, the sweet, sweet sound of victim blaming
Calling him or her a victim is riddiculus.
Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave
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Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Point of clarification, the article does not mention and I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold. In fact the article does seem to point out there is support for specific Nvidia cards that Apple sold or approved. Also I find it rather impossible to believe that Nvidia couldn't release something that would restore this ability. Would a user need to disable some security feature tempo…
> I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1]. The worst for me is that this didn't withold Apple from pushing the update, so running Mojave with an external monitor is hardly possible now. > Nvidia is not a "good" company. Agreed. Neither is Apple. [1] - https://support.apple.com/…
> In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1]
That support article doesn't mention the GFX 750 and I can't find any record of Apple selling a MBP with a GFX 750...
Edit:
I believe what you meant to say is you have a "NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M with 2GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching" [0] which it appears does not support metal.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If Nvidia are being dicks in the face of reasonable requests, why would that be Apple's fault? Because Apple sold the hardware /with/ the software, and now they completely broke that (<5 year old) hardware?
Point of clarification, the article does not mention and I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold. In fact the article does seem to point out there is support for specific Nvidia cards that Apple sold or approved. Also I find it rather impossible to believe that Nvidia couldn't release something that would restore this ability. Would a user need to disable some security feature tempo…
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1]. The worst for me is that this didn't withold Apple from pushing the update, so running Mojave with an external monitor is hardly possible now. > Nvidia is not a "good" company. Agreed. Neither is Apple. [1] - https://support.apple.com/…
> In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1] That support article doesn't mention the GFX 750 and I can't find any record of Apple selling a MBP with a GFX 750... Edit: I believe what you meant to say is you have a "NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M with 2GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching" [0] which it appears does not support metal. [0] https://s…
You're correct about the card, sorry about that. Got confused I suppose. Indeed I meant to say I have the GT 750.
Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1] That support article doesn't mention the GFX 750 and I can't find any record of Apple selling a MBP with a GFX 750... Edit: I believe what you meant to say is you have a "NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M with 2GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching" [0] which it appears does not support metal. [0] https://s…
You're correct about the card, sorry about that. Got confused I suppose. Indeed I meant to say I have the GT 750.
I should have added this in my edit but I'll put it here:
I stand corrected. I DO think it's wrong for Apple to drop support for something they shipped, especially since it's just over 4 years old. I thought this issue was limited to people who had Mac Pro's or Hackintosh's and put an unsupported card in it. I'll admit I've only used 13" MBP's for the last 10+ years until my most recent MBP and so dedicated graphic cards wasn't in my wheelhouse. I honestly thought they stopped ALL Nvidia cards back in 2009ish.
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It seems to me like Apple has been on the road to slowly abandoning the Mac for quite some time. Newer Macbooks are unpopular, updates to OS X have problems, and on the whole, the platform just doesn't get much love from Apple. They want us all on iOS. I'll be moving to Linux instead.
The “newer MacBooks” are unpopular is just a meme in the tech bubble. While Apple will stop reporting unit sells next quarter, they just posted last quarters numbers. There is no indication that they are “unpopular”.
Maybe they still sell, but I know of nobody who is enthusiastic about them. People used to love them.
Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave
#67I've never been at the forefront of upgrading my Macbook, and that seems like a wise decision now. Still, increasingly poor versions of OS X present a clear end of the line for my 2011 Macbook Pro. Some time ago I was forced to upgrade to Sierra, because LinkedIn's website stopped working in Chrome. (I don't use LinkedIn much because it's awful, but a lot of clients find me there.) Turns out LinkedIn felt my version…
Owner of a late 2013 15" MBP here. I never been eager to upgrade to new mac version too. > Some time ago I was forced to upgrade to Sierra Until about a month ago I ran Sierra - which worked fine and in 2 years didn't crash my mpb once. Then I had to compile a few ios apps for work, and since xcode was outdated on Sierra, I had to upgrade to High Sierra. High Sierra kept crashing on me. Several coworkers also had thi…
Thanks for the warning. I'll stick to Sierra as long as I can.
It sucks, though, that these crappy updates make us reluctant to keep our system up to date. It shouldn't be like this. New versions should be better, not worse. And it should be possible to roll back a bad upgrade.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Point of clarification, the article does not mention and I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold. In fact the article does seem to point out there is support for specific Nvidia cards that Apple sold or approved. Also I find it rather impossible to believe that Nvidia couldn't release something that would restore this ability. Would a user need to disable some security feature tempo…
> I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1]. The worst for me is that this didn't withold Apple from pushing the update, so running Mojave with an external monitor is hardly possible now. > Nvidia is not a "good" company. Agreed. Neither is Apple. [1] - https://support.apple.com/…
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This isnt news. Apple has always done this.
how come external gpus worked fine on high sierra(there was even fan fare about egpus being supported with an "official" egpu) is that all gone now? I saw the writing on the wall and made a cute little mini pc in a cooler master elite 110 instead of staying in the egpu space
Only AMD graphic cards work fine natively since HS. The problem was that people wanted Nvidia support, they had web drivers from Nvidia for HS but there is no Mojave version yet IIRC.
Apple has only been supporting AMD graphic cards natively with macOS since the beginning and they never said Nvidia GPU would be supported out of the box nor do any of their docs say it is. They have a strict list of supported eGPU boxes and GPU for each boxes (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208544).
eGPU support in macOS has been crappy at the start even for AMD cards but they've been steadily improving since then. The problem is Apple takes forever to improve their support after only offering the option to use eGPU for certain apps in Mojave.
Nvidia drivers are likely (I doubt given Apple's recent history track) to be added to macOS when they release the redesigned Mac Pro later next year as they'll need to support various cards. Right now, there is no Apple device with Nvidia cards, so no drivers either.
On the other hand, Apple may just do the silly thing of releasing Mac Pro with no chance of changing GPUs. If this happens, there will not be any chance of Nvidia drivers for a long time.
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#70> Apple fully controls drivers for Mac OS. How so? Can you just not write graphics drivers for macOS?
> Can you just not write graphics drivers for macOS? So this is seriously what you suggest owners of an older MBP (official Apple hardware, just over 4 years old) to do? Since both Apple's drivers and NVidia's drivers are completely closed source, I'd say it's hardly possible to write a working driver (w/ hardware acceleration) for it.
I’m quoting an NVIDIA engineer here; I’m asking why they can’t write their own driver instead of waiting for Apple. (Though, I’m sure that people in the Hackintosh community would not shy away from stepping up if asked…)