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Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by scrollaway »

sebazzz wrote: post #54
scrollaway wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's still time to open source it. I'm confused why they don't, at this point. Well, not that confused, I guess it ties in to Windows quite a bit and it's probably not worth it for them. Still I hope they do it.

I do not think it is trivial to port EdgeHTML. Don't forget it is a fork of Trident with the legacy parts clipped away and some cogs polished, replaced or added. Not meant to run multi-plat, not even meant to run outside Windows 10.

Wrong person to reply to :) I don't really think it's worth porting it to Linux either. Although I'm sure the Wine people would have a field day with it.

But open sourcing it for the sake of practical domain knowledge, if not history, would be good.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by Scarbutt »

I always though Mozilla should be the one doing this, let google do all the hard work and focus their resources in increasing market share and having better privacy, if they have the resources to maintain firefox then they have the resources to maintain a chromium fork.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by mcgannon2007 »

simonsarris wrote: post #36
tombert wrote: post #22

I'm assuming I'm not the only one who's afraid of Blink becoming the new Internet Explorer; instead of people following a web standard, they'll follow what's Chrome-compatible. It's still better because Chromium is open-source, but I do worry that we're going to have a problem in the future with a lot of broken sites (YTMND-style).

> instead of people following a web standard, they'll follow what's Chrome-compatible The browser vendors taking the lead over standards committees is how we got this far into HTML5, especially including Apple's/Safari's decision to ditch flash, and the WHATWG actually moving us forward vs the W3C. Unless Blink has a history or an expectation of deprecating serious functionality in the future, is it really so bad if…

Because then any pull request introducing something into Chromium essentially becomes the web standard. For example, Google has a ton of influence on the project. If they want to, they can introduce something that benefits their services but eschews the web standard.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by sebazzz »

croddin wrote: post #43

Wasn't an original idea of Edge that it would have several different quirks modes where it would use the old IE renderer to work with old corporate websites and such to be extremely backwards compatible? Could this break things for some companies with old IE-only internal websites etc? (Not that I don't think these should have all been made to work with chrome long ago.) If they are going to try to maintain some kind…

IE only websites are added to the Enterprise Site List[0] by the sysadmin and will be opened in IE11, just like now. Edge has never dynamically switched engines, it just opened IE.

[0]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/deploy/emie-...

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by scrollaway »

craftyguy wrote: post #48
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #5

Man, this sucks. I really wish they had open sourced their new engine and stuck with it. I would have volunteered time porting it to Linux/POSIX as well.

This is step 2: Extend.

Oh enough of this meme, please. It should be required that anyone who tries to be clever with it actually justify it with a full explanation on what they think the three matching steps are/will be.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by robertAngst »

VikingCoder wrote: post #20
volandovengo wrote: post #4

This is HUGE! Microsoft throwing away the IE engine in favor of one more or less standard rendering engine is a huge win for web developers everywhere! It's also something that would have been unimaginable in the Steve Ballmer era. Thank you!

I'm a huge fan of Chrome, but this is a huge loss. Competition is good. Monoculture is bad. That said, supporting all of the standards in a way that makes everyone happy is completely impossible. And if you're not in first place, it's just Cost, Cost, Cost for you. I don't blame them for doing this, but I'm sad about it.

This is one of those things that as a Dev, fantastic.

As a customer, meh, less competition.

That said, there seems to be tons of competition on various formats, web competes with podcasts, mobile apps, and I would even say websites like Medium/youtube.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by mrpippy »

alanfranzoni wrote: post #11

What I find a bit curious is that's a fully Chromium based browser, it's not simply based on the Blink rendering engine. So, it will be much closer (probably) to Chromium/Chrome than other blink-based browsers like Brave or Opera. I'd really like to understand the rationale behind this choice. What they'd like to leverage from Chromium that Blink alone wouldn't have?

It's hard to glean technical details from the post, but "We will move to a Chromium-compatible web platform for Microsoft Edge on the desktop" indicates to me that this will be Edge based on Blink, not the full Chromium shell renamed/rewritten to be Edge. Hard to tell though

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by pas »

_nickwhite wrote: post #27

Could this be a bad thing for Firefox? Seems like Microsoft + Google is quite a rival to go against?

Microsoft still can participate in the WhatWG discussions, they can still try to exert some kind of influence over where Blink goes. (In the most expensive way they can just put a lot of "if"-s in the code to make Edgemium work differently from Chrome.)
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