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Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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Oh oh I see you're saying the requests you listed work but "hey Siri stop the timer" and "hey Siri stop the music" don't

Which absolutely does work. Not really sure what the OP means here.

I think he's running into the issue that when the phone is playing loud audio through the speakers, it has trouble picking up voice over that. iPhones don't have the same audio separation hardware as HomePods.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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At some point in the future, I'd rather wear a BT headset most of the time in some inconspicuous manner and use that for notifications and requests. The device and headset could know if I'm focused and wait until I come up for air for lower priority notifications. I would always have a mic handy for vocal requests. The last stop before true integration where I just have to think my request...

Sounds sort of cool, but am I the only one not interested in vocalizing my computer UI? I’d just rather not interact with technology that way. I perceive it as a direct competitor for what I’d rather have “in the air” - music, etc.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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"Unlike Siri on iPhone, which operates close to the user’s mouth," I wish they wouldn't make this assumption. Siri would be much more useful sitting on my kitchen counter or coffee table. I now use the Echo for timers, music, weather, movie times, random questions, ...

You need far field microphones for that. Which is what Echo and HomePod have.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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I find that my iPhone is responsive to Siri requests if I'm within 8-10 feet. It's possible that training "Hey Siri" at this distance could help. But at the end of the day, Apple won't optimize too much for this use case, since they want you to buy a HomePod, Apple Watch, or AirPods. Also, there's power consumption to think about. The HomePod is plugged 24/7, whereas you want your iPhone battery to last a long time.

As an aside, one neat side effect of hey Siri is that often multiple devices can hear you at the same time. In my office I have my XR, iPad, and for dev an iPhone 7 and 8. When I say hey Siri I often hear all of them start to respond, but then all but one cancels listening. I've never really paid attention to which one wins the battle, but it does usually seem to be the device closest to me. Just thought it was inter…

I believe it uses the same logic that Handoff does to determine what your "active" device is. If the "active" device hears the Siri request, it responds. Otherwise I think it prioritizes HomePod.

If multiple HomePods hear it, I'm not sure, possibly using volume to determine distance?

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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What is the "office mode" on Apple TV?

I think they refer to conference room display: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202618 It's a mode where the Apple TV display instructions on how to connect with airplay and a pin code for authentication. It's really a handy feature in combination with Direct Wi-Fi, since it allows anyone in a conference room with a Mac or iDevice to present things. We use it in meetings (though I prefer hooking up to by cable, sinc…

Is it better than a Chromecast? If I remember correctly, anyone with a Chrome browser (and apps with the feature added) can use the screen. Which gets around Apple only.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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In my experience they over-optimized, with homepod now responding to "hey Sara" instead of Siri. Drives my partner nuts.

That's because people have accents. My partner is Korean and I am Australian for example. Two very different approaches to speaking English. You would hope that the HomePod would be usable by both of us.

If you have a HomePod, try saying "Hey, Hugh!". I'm getting false positives with 'strayan accent.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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> Directional noises generated by household appliances such as a vacuum cleaner, hairdryer, and microwave From what my friends with HomePods tell me, the HomePod is amazingly good at hearing people — even with lots of background noise. Interestingly, Apple's problem may cease being "can the HomePod hear the user?" and become "How loudly do we have the HomePod respond so that the human can hear the response while a va…

The team at Amazon has already figured out how to have it whisper back to you if you whisper at it. Seems like it would be easy to run that backwards.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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I think they refer to conference room display: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202618 It's a mode where the Apple TV display instructions on how to connect with airplay and a pin code for authentication. It's really a handy feature in combination with Direct Wi-Fi, since it allows anyone in a conference room with a Mac or iDevice to present things. We use it in meetings (though I prefer hooking up to by cable, sinc…

Is it better than a Chromecast? If I remember correctly, anyone with a Chrome browser (and apps with the feature added) can use the screen. Which gets around Apple only.

Last time I tried, Chrome has to be on a wireless network and the computer on the same network. The access point also shouldn't isolate clients.

Apple TV works with Wi-Fi Direct (P2P airplay)

Edit: ah Chromecast guest mode works differently. But we are an Apple shop anyway.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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post #64

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As an aside, one neat side effect of hey Siri is that often multiple devices can hear you at the same time. In my office I have my XR, iPad, and for dev an iPhone 7 and 8. When I say hey Siri I often hear all of them start to respond, but then all but one cancels listening. I've never really paid attention to which one wins the battle, but it does usually seem to be the device closest to me. Just thought it was inter…

I believe it uses the same logic that Handoff does to determine what your "active" device is. If the "active" device hears the Siri request, it responds. Otherwise I think it prioritizes HomePod. If multiple HomePods hear it, I'm not sure, possibly using volume to determine distance?

Since they have an array of six mics, they could triangulate the sound to calculate the distances.

Re: Optimizing Siri on HomePod in Far‑Field Settings

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Which absolutely does work. Not really sure what the OP means here.

I think he's running into the issue that when the phone is playing loud audio through the speakers, it has trouble picking up voice over that. iPhones don't have the same audio separation hardware as HomePods.

Yes, this is why my initial comment was a bit snarky. GP wants his phone to have properties it fundamentally cannot have, and is not expecting that of any other phone.
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