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Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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People associate TOR with unsavory activity because TOR is used for unsavory activity. Running an exit node on a link you care about is insanity. The main reason I have never run an exit node is fear that some overzealous LEO trying to make a name for himself is going to trace an IP off of a kiddie porn or drug market to my house and send in SWAT to break all of my windows and tie me up in court for months before dec…

Exit nodes only handle traffic leaving the Tor network to clearnet sites. Nobody is going to run a child porn site or drug market on the clearnet.

No, but they'll access clearnet child porn/drug sites through your exit node. Not every criminal uses Tor.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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> Can you explain why you are concerned with the usage of AGPL? Are you hoping to make a closed-source hosted fork eventually? This can get very copy-left philosophical very quickly, so I'll be brief. For transit technology, especially if adoption matters, the less a license infects downstream projects the better for ecosystem growth. For example, I have an open source Tor library that is MIT licensed and it statical…

FWIW, you are in fact talking to a team of people who are core Free Software people (such as Brian Fox, who was the first person employed by the Free Software Foundation)... but like, it must be pointed out that your Tor library is almost certainly a client library, and the license of the Tor server you are accessing would not affect the ability for people to use it: "statically linking Tor" is kind of simplistic, as…

I appreciate your efforts and all efforts to improve privacy. The library I was referencing is actually for building Tor servers too, though even just its client part communicates with either a local Tor daemon or the statically linked Tor in the executable, both of which would be subject to the AGPL regardless of the server part. But if the principles are similar to the Ogg lib and liborchid is LGPL/BSD/MIT/Apache/etc then we are in complete agreement. Consider me as one of those that, when the core lib is built/available, will make things with it.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Indeed. I've often thought that such high-latency mix-nets (with their potentially superior resistance to traffic analysis) would be a nice complement to low-latency networks like Tor.

The downside is that browsing the web on a service like that sucks ass. Tor trades off some security for a basic level of user experience. Sadly, modern web design makes stuff like WWWoffle less useful than it used to be. Plus it's difficult to set up fully anonymous services on the far side of the link, I mean you're using Tor for a reason, and leaving breadcrumbs on the far side of the network is risky.

Using TBB has gotten much better over the past few years, often you can stream YouTube without much issue.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win

Word on the street is, there is a darknet site where you can bet money on what day someone's going to be assassinated. That way, a "volunteer" can bet on the correct day.

I really hope they called it 'Deadpool'.

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Tor is great, but it's always been a bit slow. Now that cryptocurrency is a thing, I often wonder if that problem could be solved by incentivizing the running of relays and exit nodes through microtransactions without compromising privacy. Would be great if we could make Tor fast enough that it could actually be used as a substitute for commercial VPNs.

That reminds me of this little onion routering thingy i made that spiraled out of control into a semi functioning project that I got hired to work on full time

(https://github.com/loki-project/loki-network)

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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I ran an exit node at home for a couple months. Within minutes of my dynamic IP being updated from my ISP, cloudflare could figure out that I was an exit node, and then would fail to differentiate my own, non tor traffic, with that of the traffic exiting my node. The result being every single cloudflare backed website will hit you with a captcha on every page you view. My ISP would also randomly shut off my connectio…

Exit node, sure, but hosting a regular node should not pose any threat.

My impression is that TOR is exit node-constrained. Is this correct?

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Tor is great, but it's always been a bit slow. Now that cryptocurrency is a thing, I often wonder if that problem could be solved by incentivizing the running of relays and exit nodes through microtransactions without compromising privacy. Would be great if we could make Tor fast enough that it could actually be used as a substitute for commercial VPNs.

That reminds me of this little onion routering thingy i made that spiraled out of control into a semi functioning project that I got hired to work on full time ( https://github.com/loki-project/loki-network )

Also a dev on loki-network, we have $4.1+ million USD so far invested in relays (and potentially exits). It's layer 3 (so think more like i2p) but newer crypto and much better latency.

A good overview of the project is here: https://github.com/loki-project/loki-network/blob/master/doc...

other docs here: https://github.com/loki-project/loki-network/blob/master/doc...

Join our test-net now: https://discord.gg/eB8k6xQ or #llarp on freenode

Re: Tor: The Second-Generation Onion Router (2004)

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Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win

Imagine what a mess the assassination insurance industry would be given how much of a mess that the health insurance industry is.

US Liberals: We need single-payer hitmen!

US Conservatives: Do you really want European-style socialism assassins?

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