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The State of JavaScript 2018

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Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by daliusd »

ksec wrote: post #18

People are generally happy with the development of JS the trends of always improving languages along with frameworks makes developing with JS makes developer increase in happiness for the third time in a row. ES6 is good, TypeScript is gaining ground, people are moving away from Flow. Angular is dead? Most don't even want to touch it again ( Great ). Ember hasn't moved a bit in three years with a declining of interes…

> TypeScript is gaining ground, people are moving away from Flow.

Is it really the case? Both projects are watched and have quite big number of stars in github.

I have tried flow and liked it. I have used typescript in the past and I'm not crazy about it. Therefore I would like to get better understanding here. Is there anything I could read about it?

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by Stoo »

sgdesign wrote: post #14
Digit-Al wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a question but a suggestion. I live in England and am very aware that the residents of Scotland and Wales don't like to be classed as "English". You might want to change the title to the more neutral (and correct) Britain, Great Britain, GB, United Kingdom, or UK.

Oh I didn't even see that, thanks for the feedback!

To be absolutely correct it should be United Kingdom, not Great Britain, as you also have Northern Ireland marked as England.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by devxpy »

arnvald wrote: post #59
ksec wrote: post #18

People are generally happy with the development of JS the trends of always improving languages along with frameworks makes developing with JS makes developer increase in happiness for the third time in a row. ES6 is good, TypeScript is gaining ground, people are moving away from Flow. Angular is dead? Most don't even want to touch it again ( Great ). Ember hasn't moved a bit in three years with a declining of interes…

I suspect one of the reasons people are happy with JS (even though there's plenty of much better languages) is that it has made a huge progress. Writing ES6 after a few years with ES5 is so much more pleasant. I used to be annoyed every time I had to write some JS code in the past, now I must say I even enjoy it. However, regarding the metric that shows developers' happiness over the years: * If someone asks me if I'…

I think we should also consider that most people have gotten used to the fact that JS is the language of the web, and there’s basically nothing we can really do about it in the short term, so let’s just have a positive attitude towards it!

P.S. I don’t, but most people I have met seem to have this kind of mentality.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by wackro »

Digit-Al wrote: post #6
sgdesign wrote: post #2

Co-author of the survey here, thanks for posting! Happy to answer any questions :) (As long as the question is not something along the lines of "My favorite library Foo.js is doing pretty poorly in your survey, surely there must be an issue with your methodology?")

Not a question but a suggestion. I live in England and am very aware that the residents of Scotland and Wales don't like to be classed as "English". You might want to change the title to the more neutral (and correct) Britain, Great Britain, GB, United Kingdom, or UK.

It would be UK, as it includes NI.

To the parent - Great Britain is the land mass containing England/Scotland/Wales. The UK is the whole thing.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by oblio »

pjmlp wrote: post #42
ksec wrote: post #18

People are generally happy with the development of JS the trends of always improving languages along with frameworks makes developing with JS makes developer increase in happiness for the third time in a row. ES6 is good, TypeScript is gaining ground, people are moving away from Flow. Angular is dead? Most don't even want to touch it again ( Great ). Ember hasn't moved a bit in three years with a declining of interes…

> Angular is dead? Most don't even want to touch it again ( Great ). Yet what I see around me is enterprise customers on our projects adopting Angular as the official internal Framework, as React is seem as too advanced.

Most of HackerNews isn't enterprise hackers. At least the active commentators.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by newman8r »

sgdesign wrote: post #28
tommyjepsen wrote: post #24

Is "Angular's Popularity Over Time"'s bad stats based on combining Angularjs and Angular2 into one?

In previous surveys we had both Angularjs and Angular, but starting this year we stopped making the distinction. So yes, the "bad" stats include both versions. It's not perfect but we thought it was best to just bite the bullet and combine both going forward.

I'd love to see what the stats were for Angular 2+ only - I imagine they'd look a lot different. If they'd chosen a more appropriate name for Angular then I feel like this wouldn't even be an issue.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by devxpy »

IloveHN84 wrote: post #27
ksec wrote: post #18

People are generally happy with the development of JS the trends of always improving languages along with frameworks makes developing with JS makes developer increase in happiness for the third time in a row. ES6 is good, TypeScript is gaining ground, people are moving away from Flow. Angular is dead? Most don't even want to touch it again ( Great ). Ember hasn't moved a bit in three years with a declining of interes…

Loved? Well, it's a point of view. I personally hate it, due to the tooling and the dependency management (npm and yarn are catastrophic, an "hello world" example with React downloads on average more than 100 packages).

Typescript and other transpilers especially, seem to be quite resouce hungry, slow and a pain to configure — always getting in my way :(

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by pavlov »

kojoru wrote: post #43

One important data point there is Visual Studio Code. It used to be really popular in 2017 (double the popularity of Atom/Sublime/Webstorm), now it's just eating everyone's lunch (triple the popularity of Sublime/Vim/Webstorm/Atom, almost equal to all of them combined). Also Atom is declining sharply. Compare https://2018.stateofjs.com/other-tools/ to https://2017.stateofjs.com/2017/other-tools/

Microsoft owns both VS Code and Atom, so probably they're not crying in their beers about that...

Anyway, props to Redmond for a major coup — from webdev pariah to owner of the most popular development platforms in just a couple of years! It took both money and sincere dedication, but they managed to effectively turn around the external perception of Microsoft in this field.

Re: The State of JavaScript 2018

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Post by no_gravity »

It is interesting to compare the popular front end frameworks year over year. The percentages for 'Used it, would use it again':

2017:

    React: 58%
    Vue  : 20%
2018:

    React: 65%
    Vue  : 29%
So both have been growing at a similar pace.

Not sure about Angular, as in 2017 they listed 'Angular 1' and 'Angular 2'. This year only 'Angular'. Is that the combined number for both versions?

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