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The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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post #47

Without any opinion the merits of this case in particular, which seems like a total mess all around and I haven't been following, on the topic more generally I found "Demystifying International Extradition" [1] last year to be an interesting summary of the process. It introduced me to concepts that don't really tend to come up in local law. Amongst other pertinent aspects is that while the US generally wants to avoid…

This has come up between the US and Canada. When the US seeks extradition for a capital crime, Canada nearly always asks for assurances that the US will not seek the death penalty.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Julian Assange was a key figure in the early days of PostgreSQL and he contributed to NetBSD http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/netinet/tcp_subr... https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CALtFtELs3mMM2g__fZFyF...

"key figure" as in: A few small changes.

https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search...

https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git;a=commit...

Edit: Added the one contribution he didn't commit himself.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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post #32

So much for WikiLeaks thinking there was a lesser evil back in 2016

Wikileaks believed at the time that Clinton was ready to send a drone to get rid of Assange. Between due process and a drone attack, I take due process any day.

That's an obviously absurd belief given he's in an embassy. The USA has done a lot of insane shit but that would be a ridiculous line to cross to eliminate a single "criminal."

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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By doing this the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal.

Also, by ignoring the crimes revealed by the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, the US makes it very clear that war-making cronies rule both parties and would never hold each other accountable for anything.

To be clear, the war logs revealed that the US classified information solely because it revealed that the official narrative about why we were involved in those wars was false. Regardless of what one thinks about Assange, it's pretty hard to argue that the crimes revealed by the war logs aren't highly worrisome.

Regardless of how one feels about Assange, it's hard to deny that WL was the most successful attempt by any journalist to unmask the widespread US war crimes that we've seen in many decades.

My statement above may be too strong... so be it, but surely a court should have been able to decide the fate of the propagandists who misused their power to classify information from the American people. Instead the war criminals just attacked Assange and everyone else including most journalists do as they are asked and turned on a fellow journalist who was willing to sacrifice his freedom for the cause of truth.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the emails were altered by Russia for the purpose of spreading misinformation. Russia used Wikileaks to lend credibility to the conspiracy theories they were sowing in the run-up to the election. NY Time has a great 3-part video series about Russia's history of spreading fake news. Each video is about 15 minutes but it's well worth the watch.

Even if that’s true — it’s not, no emails have been shown to be fake — it’s not illegal to publish false information.

I didn't say the emails were fake. I said they were altered. The metadata, specifically. According to the NY Times they were alter to make it look like they were downloaded directly from a computer in the U.S. and to change the date the documents were obtained.

And publishing false information is not illegal. Knowingly aiding a foreign government in their efforts to undermine an election is treason.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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post #43

I would be genuinely surprised if the current administration decided to prosecute one of their most useful Russian agents.

Again sarcasm as a way to convey a legitimate point is downvoted on HN so I'll translate: I would be surprised if he was prosecuted harshly given his important role in the election of the current president of the US. (Edit: to be clear, I personally dislike seeing all these jokes about russian agents re: the 2016 election. There was clearly meddling but its beginning to bother me that a vocal strain of vocal American…

> People like Assange aren't pawns of some dark and evil power

Citation needed. The rest of the world seems to agree that he was in fact a pawn to a "dark and evil power", as you put it.

Here's my citation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/0...

"Assange behaved as an instrument of the Kremlin operation which, in an excruciatingly close election, may have made just enough of a difference to secure Trump’s victory."

...

"Mueller’s investigators have recently questioned at least five witnesses about Assange’s role in the 2016 campaign."

> that the main reason why trump is president is because someone broke some rules.

The evidence shows this pretty clearly. Also, "broke some rules" is a pretty silly way to describe the literal murders that have taken place re: Russia and the election. It's also an obviously biased way to describe the incredible scale and power of electoral propaganda along with bribes and hacked voting systems.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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In an ideal world, this wouldn't be a bad thing. A trial would force the government to finally show us proof that Wikileaks was working for the Russians and they conspired criminally to hack US networks.

Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world, and you should be absolutely certain that any "trial" Assange gets will be a kangaroo court where he is convicted on "secret" evidence that we won't be able to independently view or scrutinize due to "national security concerns". What's worse is people will point to Assange's conviction in this show trial as proof of all of evidence-free accusations the spy agencies and US government have been hurling around for the last 2+ years.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they are a news organization. Covering the election is what a news organization should do, and it's hard to argue the Clinton emails weren't newsworthy. >They have been to be a known tool for the Russian government, even going as far as creating a show for Julian Assange on the state-backed RT TV Network This is untrue. There is nothing suggesting that Wikileaks has knowingly coordinated with Russia. And that TV…

> "This is untrue. There is nothing suggesting that Wikileaks has knowingly coordinated with Russia." Really? Nothing at all? Big fat nothingburger? https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-the-latest-mue...

An indictment is not proof for a start, this is a fundamental part of the US justice system.

That indictment does not actually mention Wikileaks at all, let alone suggest that Wikileaks knew the source was the Russian government.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Julian Assange was a key figure in the early days of PostgreSQL and he contributed to NetBSD http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/netinet/tcp_subr... https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CALtFtELs3mMM2g__fZFyF...

Hans Reiser contributed to open source software as well. Maybe you could spell your point out a little more clearly?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they are a news organization. Covering the election is what a news organization should do, and it's hard to argue the Clinton emails weren't newsworthy. >They have been to be a known tool for the Russian government, even going as far as creating a show for Julian Assange on the state-backed RT TV Network This is untrue. There is nothing suggesting that Wikileaks has knowingly coordinated with Russia. And that TV…

If they are a news organization, they do a terrible job of reporting the news. They are a black box repository for leaked data. They were once a great resource for info hackers and leakers to push their data, like back in 2008/2009. But that was before news organizations started using their own secure drop servers for sources. Once WikiLeaks sources started to not go to them, they started to look for other benefactor…

> They are a black box repository for leaked data

Or said another way, they act as a news organization.

Modern day news organizations unfortunately have zero integrity and are unwilling to take on the people with power.

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