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Your thinking sounds like evil white western thinking.
This is a really lovely comment.
China's brightest children are being recruited to weaponize AI
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We need to weaponise our education system against them. Full tuition for humanities; total restriction of access to science and technology programs. This will cultivate liberalism, democracy and dissent amongst Chinese students which would destabalize their regime, while depriving them of the technical knowledge they crave in their drive to overthrow the West. We have been very naive to allow so much access to our in…
What you are proposing is simply an indoctrination programme. It is not more ethical than theirs just because this one aligns with your views on politics.
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I've been through 3-8th grade education in Chengdu at a top 100 school. The rest of my education was in the US, so I may be biased in one way or the other. From my perspective, I didn't really see it that way. Like any country, the history curriculum focuses on China's history, focusing primarily on ancient history (pre-Qing dynasty) for 3 semesters with one semester of modern Chinese history (Qing to present). While…
I should have made it more clear it's not all people, it's many people. And the problem is not the people, it's the system of government control of education, media, and now digital media at every level. You have been exposed to more voices (metaphorical) so you are one of the lucky ones. It's good to hear you find some of these voices to be inside of China still. I imagine being inside the system before encountering…
This comment is so incredibly patronizing ("oh it's good to hear you're one of the good Chinese") that I'd be insulted if I wasn't laughing so much.
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You don't see a difference between giving prize money to university teams vs recruiting children under the age of 18 and then putting them through a 4 year program where they are expected to enter AI research for military purposes and the candidates are explicitly vetted for loyalty to the government before entrance?
The Chinese are more efficient? Take an 18 year old, toss him or her into a college that does the challenge, get a job at one of the defense contractors later. The Chinese employee is able to do the same thing about 4 years earlier.
Your answer seems given in bad faith, but it's worth answering anyway.
There are many other things you learn and things you can go on to do as [engineering student] at [university]. Doing a [resume-boosting challenge] is one small part of your universe.
On the other hand, when you are entering a special program for weapons development and giving press releases about how long you've been studying about guns... your intentions and the expectations for you are very different.
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#65If I recall correctly, DARPA regularly hosts challenges where university teams try to solve problems that clearly have military applications. I know this can be seen as whataboutism but I feel the Western world might have gotten desensitized to its own activities in the sector, while looking warily at possible geopolitical competitors.
Bingo. Young people thinking war is a boy's toy game, east or west. Generations who haven't seen a real massacre barely need desensitization, their family culture can be inhumane and insensitive enough from home. The comments on this thread show perfectly how suspicion, lack of morals and humane thinking do all the work. The US isn't very different from China in those threats brooding within civil society.
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> You think other nations actually buy into peaceful globalism? I hope you didn't use the word "other" to imply the US has a policy of "peaceful globalism". That would be wrong.
I certainly don't believe the US has such a policy. So, it surprises me when people think other countries have such a policy. Never has such a thing happened in the history of the world.
learn history. China was a textbook quality isolationist when it was the biggest economy in the world. it doesn't have any peaceful globalism policy because trading with the rest of the world was simply banned.
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I feel that whataboutism is a term that gets abused a lot in threads about China. Pointing out that the US does the very same doesn't necessarily discredit or diminish the problem with China's actions. If anything it shows we should be worried about these things on a global scale.
> Pointing out that the US does the very same doesn't necessarily discredit or diminish the problem with China's actions. If anything it shows we should be worried about these things on a global scale. I think the main issue is that those actions aren't written about or criticised when done by the western powers. Hence why these article seems so hypocritical - they try to paint actions accepted and normal in western…
Sure, one can technically use technology against your own people, but no one likes to think about betrayal of that kind.
So, the default assumption is that killbots controlled by your country are safe to you, but killbots made by a foreign power are dangerous.
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I certainly don't believe the US has such a policy. So, it surprises me when people think other countries have such a policy. Never has such a thing happened in the history of the world.
learn history. China was a textbook quality isolationist when it was the biggest economy in the world. it doesn't have any peaceful globalism policy because trading with the rest of the world was simply banned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haijin
You act like China has always been a monolithic entity.
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No one wants to get killed or suffer during war, but everyone wants to be the boss.
Not only do most people not want to be boss, most nations aren't trying to take over the world. One interesting thing: since most nations are tiny, and they are so utterly dependent on playing ninjitsu against others because they have no hard power ... the though doesn't occur to them. It becomes part of the national identity. Canada->US Scotland->England Nordics (i.e. Norwegian)->Germany/France We're a little bit mo…
Right, but there is always someone trying to take over, and without resistance on the part of peacelovers, they succeed.
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#70China has cultivated in its people a very troubling mental complex centered on national pride and driven by the Century of Humiliation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation To say they are fervent about righting the wrongs and perceived wrongs of the past is an understatement. It's pretty much a driving force of life with many people. It's a powerful dynamic. And it's one that's held close to the ches…
lol exaggeration much? Psychoanalyzing other people, especially a whole country, without communicating with them is a sign of close-mindedness that I thought rational discourses on HN would preclude.
There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese students in the US whose view on nationalism differs from individual to individual. Not only is the characterization of a purported hidden motif not warranted, it is reminiscent of Yellow Peril.
Nationalism is certainly alive in China. But Chinese foreign policy is only assertive only in its immediate periphery. To think that they are harboring this deep seeded grudge against the West that would threaten our physical safety is ludicrous.