I've said it before, and I'll say it again: there is going to be one hell of a bust-up before this is over.
Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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You are talking nonsense. The UK has (and always has had) complete exemption from EU common immigration policy. The EU is not able to dictate immigration controls to the UK. If you have a problem with how the UK handles non-EU immigration then it is the fault of UK government policy, not the EU. The complete exception from common immigration policy of the UK (along with Ireland and in some matters Denmark) is laid ou…
Really? Because "freedom of movement" seems to be the sticking point in the Brexit negotiations. The UK can't go the Norway route because it doesn't want "free movement" into its territory.
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Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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> If Britain stays in the European Union, then it won't have a lot of power to manage her borders. The "liberalness" of Britain's immigration policy ends up being at minimum the liberalness of each of the other 27 EU countries. Germany could let in 1 million immigrants (good for them), all of them would get citizenship, all of them can go to the UK, the UK can't say to any of them "Hold on a minute. Are you even a fi…
As soon as one is a EU citizen, they can move anywhere they want, without any restrictions, because these restrictions apply to immigrants only - as soon as one is a citizen, they are no longer immigrants. EU is different in this regard to the USA.
That "as soon as" is a high barrier to pass - there are many ways for temporary immigration to EU, but there's no mass granting of citizenships to unskilled immigrant workers, just as in USA.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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I don’t see how she can stay in her position, but then I’ve been so baffled by what’s happened lately that anything’s now possible. You’re not alone, FWIW. I’m pretty sure literally nobody knows how this is going to play out.
I'm genuinely surprised she's hung on as long as she has. We're going through a very strange period in politics.
The UK prime minister's office is a hot potato. No one actually wants to be in a position where they have to make the hard decisions; they instead want to be in a position where they can criticize the decisions for being wrong (without having to offer any alternatives!).
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/11/... YouGov poll on labour voters would suggest caution on Mr Corbyn's part. I voted remain mainly because I could not see how UK could dis-engage from local markets and just-in-time processes without significant turbulence. Corbyn gave EU 6.5/10 marks, I personally would score around 5.5/10 or 6/10 mainly because of the treatment of Greece. Basically, like o…
So Greece should be allowed to run up huge debts and then not pay them back?
So banks in Germany should be allowed to lend huge amounts of money to countries with the same currency but much higher bank rate without regard to loss?
'Moral Hazard' is something I have reservations about.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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As soon as one is a EU citizen, they can move anywhere they want, without any restrictions, because these restrictions apply to immigrants only - as soon as one is a citizen, they are no longer immigrants. EU is different in this regard to the USA.
You also have freedom of movement in the US. I am unaware of any border controls between US states.
Yes but the US is a federation. The EU people don't want that.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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As soon as one is a EU citizen, they can move anywhere they want, without any restrictions, because these restrictions apply to immigrants only - as soon as one is a citizen, they are no longer immigrants. EU is different in this regard to the USA.
This is not true. In the EU there is a freedom of movement of workers . EU citizens from another member state need to either have an employment contract or they can be told to leave the country after six months of stay.
That is not true. The only thing they need to do is to register their permanent residence in the new country and they can't be forbidden. You're misunderstanding the law, this is done to stop people from not registering their real addresses for tax/avoiding legal action purposes.
EU nationals can even vote in municipal politics in their new place of residence even if they're not citizens of that country; another big argument of the opposing party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market#Free_mo...
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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As soon as one is a EU citizen, they can move anywhere they want, without any restrictions, because these restrictions apply to immigrants only - as soon as one is a citizen, they are no longer immigrants. EU is different in this regard to the USA.
That "as soon as" is a high barrier to pass - there are many ways for temporary immigration to EU, but there's no mass granting of citizenships to unskilled immigrant workers, just as in USA.
The problem is that any EU country can set any rights for gaining a citizenship it wishes, even post facto, without getting any approval. A country could theoretically decide to give citizenship to people for free and other EU states would be forced to agree.
Re: Brexit: UK and EU 'agree text' of draft withdrawal agreement
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Because that’s the majority of it’s members and people who vote for them want, they supposed to be an opposition party. If Corbyn wants to run his own personal personality cult he should go form another party.
And of the 52% that voted for brexit? The problem I've found in politics is that politicians like to 'switch' their mandate depending on what's convenient. Half the time, rebellious MPs justify their behaviour by saying their "mandate comes from their constituents". So what of brexit? The majority of Labour MPs represent pro-leave constituencies. Now the same people are saying it's the "will of the membership" when t…
52% of Labour voters didn’t vote for leave, I’m not saying everyone in the U.K. should support remain but the overwhelming majority of all Labour Party members and voters currently support remain, Labour is an opposition party as such they should support remain or rejoin.
The fact that Labour MPs had to rebel against their leader to support things like the 2nd referendum or a people’s vote on the deal does not bode well for what they are supposed to stand for.
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Labour’s position should be to oppose Brexit and to remain or rejoin, that is not however Corbyn’s position it never was and for the past 2 years he showed that he is not fit as a leader because he can’t bend his ideals to the will of his party. Corbyn wants socialism, he want to nationalize the industries he wants to get rid of the neoliberal keynesian economics which the EU and every other social democracy in Europ…
Labour is a socialist worker's party. The LibDems exist. Why don't you join them? Why do you want to disenfranchise the socialists and take over the party?
So that’s why the Labour and the left wing media in the U.K. attacks anyone who calls them socialists and mocks them as perpetuating the red scare?
So either the Labour isn’t for socialists or they are hiding it to be palletable to their wide voting base.
The average Labour voter wants Denmark not Venezuela they want a better social democracy not breadlines and shooting people in the street.