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Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by hnmonkey »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #48
hnmonkey wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? The Cold War was not a conspiracy in the way you're implying at all. It was very publicly out there as you had kids under desks to avoid nuclear war and both countries saying how awful the other is. Westerners know plenty about China... you seem to be referring to a time hundreds of years ago where China was this far-away place and no one knew about it or understood it because we primarily traveled by trains and…

What you are stating couldn't be further from the truth. The average US citizen actually knows very little about China (we can include most of the World) and are very easily manipulated into accepting views that do not reflect reality.

Can I see your evidence of this? Because what I stated actually has evidence. There's explicit proof of people in America moving to China. There's explicit proof of Chinese students coming to America to learn. There's explicit proof of us creating deals with the Chinese for manufacturing. There's explicit proof of Americans and Chinese communicating. There has never been more Chinese - Americans in the US.

You however hand-wave my whole post away and say it can't be further from the truth with no evidence. You also say that the average US citizen actually knows very little about China. I would argue that's inaccurate. I would say that Americans have never known the Chinese better. All people are able to be manipulated into accepting views that do not reflect reality. I'm not sure how that still supports the belief that was stated above that Westerners know little about China. What mysteries do Westerners not know? Their brutal concentration camps have even been in the news recently. Their hacking attempts have been in the news forever. Their party's takeover of the government and potential lifetime dictatorship has been in the news.

You seem to be implying that everyone in the US are dunces.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by raprp »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #38
bepotts wrote: post #25

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It's popular to hate the US government and US tech companies, but the US government and US tech companies are far more ethical than the Chinese. It's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

Are they though? Did the Chinese government spend the last century toppling democratically elected governments and subjecting the populations to the horrors that followed purely for economic gain? I guess not.

Lets not mention the torture program, which the current head of CIA took part.

Or the "humanitarian" invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Syria without UN Security Council mandate. Especially Lybya, which is much more democratic now with it's slave markets.

Or the protectionism that goes against the WTO treaties.

Or by weaponizing the dollar, which is supposed to be the world's reserve currency, by the means of sanctions.

Should I mentions the use of nuclear weapons and napalm against targets with dense civilian population close by?

China, Russia and the US are all draconian regimes. Some target it's own people, other target people overseas and others target both.

The difference is that one has holywood at it's side to show them saving the world time and time again from aliens, metheors and vile russians / nazis. And people just treat the US government as the good heart kid that makes a few mistakes.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by hnmonkey »

lamarpye wrote: post #53
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #42

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We can dance around the idea of ethics or we can actually look at historical actions taken by both. Putting the Chinese & US government interventionism on the same plain for objective ethics judgements is a joke (regardless of whos cultural ethical standards you use).

Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it? Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.

All of his/her comments in this post are seemingly only there to stir up people. There's no evidence behind the things they're saying other than a hand-waving attempt at minimizing China's bad faith actions by saying others do similar things. When arguing that someone who is 10/10 bad is equal to someone that is 4/10 bad you have to really reach to equate the two and not see the nuance.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by onetimemanytime »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #50
onetimemanytime wrote: post #29

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China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them

NSA would've bugged the building without investing anything in that country. Not quite the same. The original exploiters of Africa are mad that China is investing and building infrastructure on that continent, which will raise historically low prices.

They'll regret most Chinese investments, there's already a major backlash against the Chinese style "investment." You think China is doing this for Africa's good? China is enslaving them with a signature. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-...

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_853264...

NSA, if they haven't bugged them already, they already bought the IT staff with money. Third world countries are NSA's dream countries.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

lamarpye wrote: post #53
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can dance around the idea of ethics or we can actually look at historical actions taken by both. Putting the Chinese & US government interventionism on the same plain for objective ethics judgements is a joke (regardless of whos cultural ethical standards you use).

Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it? Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.

Interesting to bring up the cultural revolution, what's even more interesting is what caused that almost immune-system like response.

Mainly, the invasion and drugging of a large % of the Chinese for a century by western powers.

True, understanding the launching point of the last 2 centuries of interactions is quite important.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

hnmonkey wrote: post #63
lamarpye wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it? Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.

All of his/her comments in this post are seemingly only there to stir up people. There's no evidence behind the things they're saying other than a hand-waving attempt at minimizing China's bad faith actions by saying others do similar things. When arguing that someone who is 10/10 bad is equal to someone that is 4/10 bad you have to really reach to equate the two and not see the nuance.

There is no evidence? Too funny, I was hoping the work required was just reminding this (expected educated) audience of history, rather than teaching a full course myself.

There is a reason the statue of Lin Zexu is in Chatham Square, NYC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by withhighprod »

hnmonkey wrote: post #61
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are stating couldn't be further from the truth. The average US citizen actually knows very little about China (we can include most of the World) and are very easily manipulated into accepting views that do not reflect reality.

Can I see your evidence of this? Because what I stated actually has evidence. There's explicit proof of people in America moving to China. There's explicit proof of Chinese students coming to America to learn. There's explicit proof of us creating deals with the Chinese for manufacturing. There's explicit proof of Americans and Chinese communicating. There has never been more Chinese - Americans in the US. You howeve…

All bad news? Ever heard something good?

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by hnmonkey »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #66
hnmonkey wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of his/her comments in this post are seemingly only there to stir up people. There's no evidence behind the things they're saying other than a hand-waving attempt at minimizing China's bad faith actions by saying others do similar things. When arguing that someone who is 10/10 bad is equal to someone that is 4/10 bad you have to really reach to equate the two and not see the nuance.

There is no evidence? Too funny, I was hoping the work required was just reminding this (expected educated) audience of history, rather than teaching a full course myself. There is a reason the statue of Lin Zexu is in Chatham Square, NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu

Your posts in this thread have continually grown more and more incivil and arrogant in defense of Chinese spying. Stating that you thought this audience HN was smart but now you realize you have to teach this audience on HN is incredibly condescending. What do you get out of taking this stance towards this audience?

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by zarkov99 »

raprp wrote: post #6
mabbo wrote: post #4

> Don't think about this in terms of just governments tracking you. Consider if you have any work emails containing company secrets in them. Consider if you have 2FA apps installed that you would use to unlock or change your work password. And since it was almost certainly the Chinese Intel/Military that helps Huawei and other companies, you can be sure that whatever information Huawei gets access to doesn't need to…

Yes. Buy Apple or Google's phones instead. They would never leak customer data for the US government. Oh wait...

Even if that was true, as an American, I would much prefer leaking to my government over that of a Communist dictatorship hellbent on becoming the ruling super power.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by Khaine »

sametmax wrote: post #12
dforrestwilson wrote: post #9

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One government is vastly more transparent than the other. One company is government subsidized and the others are not. Hard to make a genuine privacy comparison with a straight face.

Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

One government is actually putting people into fucking camps[1], the other isn't.

The scale in which the Chinese Government is bad dwarfs the bad things the US Government may do. No Government is perfect, but there are orders of magnitudes in difference between the badness of the US and that of the Chinese Government.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419

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