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If these are public communities that anyone can join pseudonymously (are they?) how does Aether prevent Sybil attacks, where a malicious actor joins a community using multiple identities and votes themselves into power?
Also, spam?
Hey guys - Burak here. Ouch, this was supposed to be a ‘soft’ launch. I’m here to answer any questions as usual. I’ll pick the best and try to add it to the FAQ on the site.
Looks good. But a native application? I would only install a native application if it comes from a source that has a proven trackrecord of being trustworthy. Can you track how many people installed it, now that it is on HN? You say it puts everyone on "one single universe with the same content". So it should be easy to put up an instance that provides a web interface to the content, right? I would think that posting…
Yes it would be easy - that would just be an another node that showed it’s read-only UI on the web. (You still need to mint proofs of work, so you would need an actual computer for posting.)
From the FAQ: > How long does it take for a post to reach the most of the network? > [...] Long answer [...] > [...] In fact, it’s a little larger than one request in a minute, because some nodes are behind restrictive firewalls and NATs, and they cannot be reached, they can only make requests out. Regardless of the actual FAQ discussed here, the statement is made that "some" nodes are behind NAT's, implying that mos…
That is just a weird turn of phrase on my part, will fix it. What I mean is:
because some nodes are behind restrictive firewalls and [restrictive] NATs.
In other words, most NATs work fine. Even if they don’t work fine, it has a process called a ‘reverse open’ where the inbound connection is requested by the receiving remote and the remote ‘captures’ and uses the same TCP socket.
Even if that doesn’t work, as you’ve discovered, you can run the backend Ona VPS.
How do you get this to not turn into a fascist/racist trash bin worse than 4chan/b/ as other Reddit clones have seemingly fallen into?
The same way you prevent them from becoming progressice/racist trash bin worse than reddit. You let them speak and prove them idiots. It's really not hard. Unless you're constantly on the side that's losing, then it's pretty miserable. But know that even though you're losing now you can reformulated your arguments and try again because no ones going to censor you. You have all the same rights because you, like they,…
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That's perfectly fine. But just because you don't want to debate with someone does that mean they're not allowed to talk to each other? In my opinion it's more important to let groups self-moderate and compartmentalize. We can have a peaceful talk because "they" are over there, where they don't disturb us. > Not everyone is owed [...] even eyeballs. Where to look is up to each pair of eyeballs.
> they... compartmentalize And that's the key problem. People are more divided than ever, especially in politics, to the point where rational discussion is nearly impossible. Instead of letting people separate into echo chambers, it seems much better to force everyone to be in the same space, which should result in people hearing each side of an argument. Use moderation to punish people who don't act civilly, which s…
In other words echo chambers are only a problem when they are large and even worse when you have to choose one of two chambers dominated by either extreme. The political analogue would be the 2 party system in the US vs. the multi party parliaments with coalitions and fringe parties that you can find in europe.
I can't figure out how to use the snap.
I downloaded the snap and installed it from the command line with `snap install --dangerous Aether.snap`. Dangerous sounds dangerous... I'm not sure if it was a good idea, but it works and my system found the app when I searched for it. I clicked the "cat's bum icon" and we're away!
How do you get this to not turn into a fascist/racist trash bin worse than 4chan/b/ as other Reddit clones have seemingly fallen into?
The same way you prevent them from becoming progressice/racist trash bin worse than reddit. You let them speak and prove them idiots. It's really not hard. Unless you're constantly on the side that's losing, then it's pretty miserable. But know that even though you're losing now you can reformulated your arguments and try again because no ones going to censor you. You have all the same rights because you, like they,…
No popular platform works like this. All working solutions involve hard moderation and separate forums/groups for different people.
>they, are people
Not necessarily.
Even if they are real people they may be paid propagandists, trolls or promoters. You need heavy moderation or access restrictions to make things work after the size of community grows. Eventually even moderation breaks down after the size grows.
How do you get this to not turn into a fascist/racist trash bin worse than 4chan/b/ as other Reddit clones have seemingly fallen into?
As someone who has spent the better part of their life advocating for openness, decentralization, etc... it pains me to believe this, but I'm not sure we can have both open decentralized communities and simultaneously a community that isn't overrun with toxicity. If the goal is shitposting and edge-waddling I think it can be done, for a while anyway. However, if the goal is to have a space where discussion is meaning…
bee@blackandyellow:~/Downloads$ snap install --dangerous --devmode Aether-2.0.0-dev.5+1811030036.53a6bb49.snap
2018-11-03T11:59:53-04:00 INFO Waiting for restart...
2018-11-03T12:00:01-04:00 INFO auto-connect of snap "aether" will be retried because of "aether" - "core" conflict
EDIT: Snap files are an archive of sorts. I was able to extract it into a folder and run the file named "aether" to get it to work.
EDIT2: This gets the frontend working but I don't think it gets the backend working entirely.