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Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

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Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

#61
There are too many perverse incentives in the system; the incentives need to be realigned.

The amount of money coming from students incentivizes a university to provide worse education to more students.

Easy loan money discourages discernment all along the pipeline--at universities, lenders, students, parents...

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution: lower tuition.

Which was the status quo before federal student loans.

I know the standard talking point is that easily available student loans is the only cause of tuition increasing so much over the years. But this ignores the massive drop of state funding that used to go to most colleges, and (IMO even more important) demand vs supply. It used to be that college was one of several valid options after high school, but now everyone is supposed to go to college and there is a lot of societal pressure to go, without regard to what a person wants to do with their life. This allows colleges to keep increasing tuition almost without limit, because you _have_ to get a degree so cost doesn't stop people from going.

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution: lower tuition.

Which was the status quo before federal student loans.

I'm just curious, before federal loans, were private lenders willing to fund anybody, or only degrees they found lucrative?

Or was the tuition so low it didn't matter? (E.g., somebody who gets a psychology degree and winds up making $40k/year doing data entry still can afford to pay the relatively small amount)?

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which was the status quo before federal student loans.

I'm just curious, before federal loans, were private lenders willing to fund anybody, or only degrees they found lucrative? Or was the tuition so low it didn't matter? (E.g., somebody who gets a psychology degree and winds up making $40k/year doing data entry still can afford to pay the relatively small amount)?

I don't remember the exact numbers, but tuition in the 90s was very low in comparison.

Here's a link that shows 2-3x increase in adjusted dollars:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/29/how-much-college-tuition-has...

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

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Often times when student loans come up people blame exclusively the borrower. We should keep in mind that in a properly functioning lending market both the borrower and lender take on risk. The lender should not left out of the equation on who to blame. Both parties are at fault. But we don’t have a properly function student loan industry. Lenders assume very little risk in this market but they should not be absolved…

Do we, as a society want to let the free market decide what education is valuable and what education is not? Giving lenders a lifetime claim on the maximum wage garnishment is undeniably one of the most backwards ways to decide we don't want to let them pick which educations to fund. But if we want lenders to decide what educations are worth funding, and incentivize them to do so, what factors can they consider? You…

We're not headed toward dystopia by acknowledging some students / degrees have more financial potential than others, and I think we're already increasingly seeing the societal impacts of what happens when we let the idealistic and unrealistic choices of teenagers go unquestioned until their mid-twenties.

Using taxpayer funds to make those idealistic and unrealistic choices more appealing and less immediately problematic doesn't help the student or society in the long term.

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

#68
Why don't people move to countries with cheaper/free education then?

Two major possibilities come to my mind:

- US employers don't accept non-US diplomas.

- Studying in the US gives you networking opportunities. If you come back after Europe, you don't have enough connections to compete with local graduates.

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which was the status quo before federal student loans.

I'm just curious, before federal loans, were private lenders willing to fund anybody, or only degrees they found lucrative? Or was the tuition so low it didn't matter? (E.g., somebody who gets a psychology degree and winds up making $40k/year doing data entry still can afford to pay the relatively small amount)?

From what I recall, parents had to save for their kids college, and if you didn't have a college savings fund then you worked your butt off in high school in order to qualify for scholarships. And you worked a side job to pay your way through college. And a lot of people didn't go to college, because a lot of people could get really good (decent paying) jobs without it.

Re: Student-Loan Debt Is Crushing Millennials

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Often times when student loans come up people blame exclusively the borrower. We should keep in mind that in a properly functioning lending market both the borrower and lender take on risk. The lender should not left out of the equation on who to blame. Both parties are at fault. But we don’t have a properly function student loan industry. Lenders assume very little risk in this market but they should not be absolved…

"Both parties are at fault". Or we can have a tuition-free public education system like we used to. But you know...

Yes. This is what I advocate.
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