Rubin is still on the exec team roster at Essential. Man do people just wince when they pass this guy in the hall?
Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
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Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#62a "walk out"... one in which people are so darn angry they walk out of work.. and then walk right back in and keep doing their job. I wish more people would quit these mega-corps over stuff like this. "Google engineers outraged...", "Facebook employees outraged..."... so quit. Go find work at a place that isn't an evil corporation. If you didn't get the memo, Facebook, Amazon, Google and Microsoft are all pretty evil…
What if the employees genuinely believe the company's overall work is good, and that these flaws can be mitigated?
Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
GP isn't ignoring the optics of the situation, they're just asserting that being perceived as a company that paid a sexual predator almost one hundred million dollars to avoid dealing with a sexual assault claim is worse than the scenario you described.
I dispute that. Google going to trial, exposing the victim to the public eye, and risking the possibility that the public remembers this episode as an example of harassment claims being weaponized by corporations is a worse scenario. I think people are really underestimating the last one of those. Would the metoo movent have even spread to tech if an there existed a public (or at least, what the public percieves to b…
You keep saying "cheat", but Google found the allegations credible; I'm genuinely confused as to your position here. Are you saying that companies should still pay severance to employees fired for sexual assault?
Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#64200 engineers organizing a protest.
2000 engineers are afraid to organize a protest against false accusations.
Inverted democracy
Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#65This article is missing a fairly important detail - the demands of the protesters. It is one thing to be unhappy with a situation, but given that the situation is now in the past - what exactly do they want to change going forward? The article is almost scrupulous in painting the walkout as out-of-control employees rather than the precursors of organised labour.
"Demands" are so passé. Most protests anymore don't have any more depth than a slogan, usually in the form of a hashtag.
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Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#66This article is missing a fairly important detail - the demands of the protesters. It is one thing to be unhappy with a situation, but given that the situation is now in the past - what exactly do they want to change going forward? The article is almost scrupulous in painting the walkout as out-of-control employees rather than the precursors of organised labour.
It seems that the protesters believe that Google erred too much in favor of Andy Rubin (and other protected execs). A protest makes these concerns known to Google -- and just as importantly, to the public -- and ostensibly reduces the chances that Google will have a different mindset when a similar situation arises in the future. In any case, the article describes this particular walkout as part of an ongoing/emergin…
> Increasingly, employees have been signing their names to a spreadsheet, refusing to participate in screening interviews for potential new hires at Google as a form of protest.
That last seems particularly counterproductive.
Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#67Do we know what actually happened? Why is anyone protesting over an allegation?
Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#68Someone with more info please correct me: But from what I read it sounds as if Google had to pay him the $90MM+, else be sued by him right? Because if they didn't pay him, he'd sue, then they [Google] would have to prove that he [Rubin] acted maliciously (or whatever), which would've been hard (if not impossible) to do, given that the accuser said they were coerced (not forced). So it seems as if Google's hands were…
From the original NY Times article [1]: > Google could have fired Mr. Rubin and paid him little to nothing on the way out. [...] > When Google fires lower-level employees, it typically marches them out immediately and pays little, if any, severance. But for senior executives, Google weighs other factors, said former executives. A wrongful termination lawsuit could mean unwanted media attention for Google and the vict…
> It doesn't say explicitly, but it sounds like they didn't have a legal obligation to pay him; rather, they did so to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit
The possibility of the lawsuit indicates there was at least a plausible argument for a legal requirement.
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#69Google could have given him the 90 million but at the same time still call out his behavior. But what happened was that Google only said how awesome everything is and hence in fact protected and worse, basically endorsed, his behavior. I find it good that Google employees stand up here. I'm already wondering what will Google do about that other guy who gives back rubs in interviews? He got similar support and is stil…
> Google could have given him the 90 million but at the same time still call out his behavior. Probably not; mutual non-disparagement clauses are extremely common in executive contracts. Breaking that would have been the same, in terms of kind of litigation risk, as not paying the $90 million.
Is it disparagement to report facts without attaching an opinion?
Re: Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Protection of Andy Rubin
#70Google could have given him the 90 million but at the same time still call out his behavior. But what happened was that Google only said how awesome everything is and hence in fact protected and worse, basically endorsed, his behavior. I find it good that Google employees stand up here. I'm already wondering what will Google do about that other guy who gives back rubs in interviews? He got similar support and is stil…
What was his actual (not "alleged") behavior? If you don't know, maybe google doesn't know either, in which case why would they "call it out"?