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Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by iforgotpassword »

kbutler wrote: post #40
freehunter wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Purely anecdotal and I've never worked for or on a team whose main responsibility was Linux administration, but at two places I worked in the past, our Linux guys didn't like SUSE. It wasn't a technical problem, and more marketing could probably help fix the problem. I have a SUSE Linux certification, and at two companies folks from the Linux team commented that SUSE makes them uncomfortable because they're unsure of…

Are there still people who pronounce linux lie'-nucks? And Linus Torvalds[1] originally pronounced it with a bit more ee and oo (almost lee-nooks) than he does now[2] (lih'-nucks). [1] https://youtu.be/uK0xXFZtJ8Q [2] https://youtu.be/5IfHm6R5le0 And gnu and gnome and Debian and nginx and SQL and GIF and ... The industry is full of made-up words with non-obvious or disputed pronunciations.

> Are there still people who pronounce linux lie'-nucks?

In German it's the stressed "ee" variant. I think with made up words that don't appear to belong to a certain language, yoiu just tend to pronounce it like it was a word in your native language.

Google in contrast just looks English because the "oo" is much more common in english, just like the "le" at the end (apart from some regions where you append "le" to nouns to make them sound small/cute).

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by NikolaNovak »

spicytunacone wrote: post #60
NikolaNovak wrote: post #48

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FYI/FWIW, I think they were preferred for Canadian Government / Shared Services Canada deployments until a few years ago

What's preferred now? I know Canadian schools liked SUSE as well.

I believe SSC currently prefers RedHat, but I'm nowhere near the authoritative source :)

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by h1d »

freehunter wrote: post #21
cyphar wrote: post #7

> Red Hat is a fantastic company, and a pioneer in successfully commercializing open source. However, beyond Red Hat the effort has largely been a failure from a business standpoint. SUSE started around a year before RedHat, in 1992. Sure, we haven't had the same success and growth, but I would disagree that RedHat pioneered the model. I wouldn't even argue SUSE pioneered it (arguably it was Cygnus in 1989 -- though…

Purely anecdotal and I've never worked for or on a team whose main responsibility was Linux administration, but at two places I worked in the past, our Linux guys didn't like SUSE. It wasn't a technical problem, and more marketing could probably help fix the problem. I have a SUSE Linux certification, and at two companies folks from the Linux team commented that SUSE makes them uncomfortable because they're unsure of…

Isn't it pronounced 'sues'? I doubt it's the name but it always makes me wonder what Suse's position is. Is there anything specifically better than Redhat or Fedora?

It may have bigger market in Europe but when I heard it sets the default file system to btrfs when others are jumping off that ship, I wonder what their plan is.

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by h1d »

madhadron wrote: post #18
cyphar wrote: post #7

> Red Hat is a fantastic company, and a pioneer in successfully commercializing open source. However, beyond Red Hat the effort has largely been a failure from a business standpoint. SUSE started around a year before RedHat, in 1992. Sure, we haven't had the same success and growth, but I would disagree that RedHat pioneered the model. I wouldn't even argue SUSE pioneered it (arguably it was Cygnus in 1989 -- though…

I was delighted to find that SuSE has started using btrfs to do the same root filesystem snapshotting that Solaris does with ZFS! Suddenly it was back on my radar after not paying much attention to it since the 1990's (I went into Debian land and stayed there, pretty much).

You need to read more into the news. It's actually a reason to get unexcited about.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by h1d »

wmf wrote: post #41
bewo001 wrote: post #24

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Wasn't there a close collaboration between IBM and SUSE?

Back in the early days of enterprise Linux, IBM wanted to avoid Red Hat becoming a monopoly so they backed SUSE (and later Ubuntu) quite a bit.

And then it got too big for IBM to pay a fortune to stop taking its pie?

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Post by freehunter »

h1d wrote: post #63
freehunter wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Purely anecdotal and I've never worked for or on a team whose main responsibility was Linux administration, but at two places I worked in the past, our Linux guys didn't like SUSE. It wasn't a technical problem, and more marketing could probably help fix the problem. I have a SUSE Linux certification, and at two companies folks from the Linux team commented that SUSE makes them uncomfortable because they're unsure of…

Isn't it pronounced 'sues'? I doubt it's the name but it always makes me wonder what Suse's position is. Is there anything specifically better than Redhat or Fedora? It may have bigger market in Europe but when I heard it sets the default file system to btrfs when others are jumping off that ship, I wonder what their plan is.

German doesn't have a concept of a "silent -e" for their words. Like how Porsche is pronounced Porsch-uh, SUSE is pronounced "Soos-uh". I don't work for/with SUSE but I also accept when people say "Suzy" because at least it acknowledges that the -e is supposed to make a noise.

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by freehunter »

saidajigumi wrote: post #51
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #49

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> SUSE makes them uncomfortable because they're unsure of how to pronounce the name. Amusing the irony in this considering most people pronounce "Ubuntu" and indeed "Linux" incorrectly. FWIW, it was the first distro I ever tried back in 1999 and I always pronounced it "Suzy" but have heard a few variants. Everyone pronounces different words differently so it doesn't really matter.

There's a fascinating solution to this problem, used by Nikon[1]: [...] Nikon Corporation (that's Nikon Japan) officially and consciously blesses all regional pronunciations of their company name. This is policy, agreed upon decades ago—likely in the 1950s—in some meeting room somewhere in Tokyo. Nee'kon is correct. Neye-kon is correct. Nick-on is correct. Many others are correct. This was explained to me when I was…

Hyundai does the same thing. There are multiple regional ways of pronouncing the name, all blessed by Hyundai headquarters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-25813198

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by cyphar »

taejo wrote: post #28
cyphar wrote: post #23

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There was a video explaining how to pronounce SUSE several years ago (both funny and a little worrying that such a video was necessary)[1]. It is pronounced strangely since it was a German name and so you have to put on your best German impression to get the "s" sound right. All jokes aside, I think most folks would agree that SUSE's marketing really needs to be reworked very significantly. [1]: https://www.youtube.c…

The German pronunciation would be pretty close to "zooza", so the pronunciation in that video isn't German, and a German accent would hinder you from pronouncing it that way (in German you can't have the /s/ sound at the beginning of a word followed by a vowel). Either way, "sooza" and "zooza" are not exactly hard for English speakers: they're just completely non-inferrable from the "SUSE" spelling.

Yeah, most of my German colleagues say "zooza" -- but saying it this way makes it difficult for English speakers to infer what you're talking about. So I say it as "sooza" even if it's _slightly_ incorrect.

Re: Why There Will Never Be Another Red Hat: The Economics of Open Source (2014)

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Post by cyphar »

bewo001 wrote: post #24
cyphar wrote: post #7

> Red Hat is a fantastic company, and a pioneer in successfully commercializing open source. However, beyond Red Hat the effort has largely been a failure from a business standpoint. SUSE started around a year before RedHat, in 1992. Sure, we haven't had the same success and growth, but I would disagree that RedHat pioneered the model. I wouldn't even argue SUSE pioneered it (arguably it was Cygnus in 1989 -- though…

Wasn't there a close collaboration between IBM and SUSE?

IBM uses several distributions. I know that both RedHat and SUSE (and probably Canonical but I'm not sure) have IBM departments as customers.

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Post by erikb »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #62
spicytunacone wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's preferred now? I know Canadian schools liked SUSE as well.

I believe SSC currently prefers RedHat, but I'm nowhere near the authoritative source :)

I also heard, that the American continent is more and more Blue Hat focussed and Suse is more a European thing.
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