Isn't @Joyent part of Samsung ? https://www.joyent.com/blog/samsung-acquires-joyent This should be really interesting in days to come.
Er, why? That seems unrelated.
Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
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Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#62I don't visit Gab, but I will definitely be closing my Joyent account. If you're not a courageous and principled defender of free speech, you should get out of the cloud business.
You may as well stop using the internet entirely, there simply isn't anyone in this business that is the type of defender of free speech you're talking about. And if there was, toxic elements would gather there and then they'd most likely have other companies they depend on cut them off somewhere down the line.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#63There is a lot of strawmanning when it comes to free speech. Virtually no one claims the 1st Amendment guarantees people a platform or that it applies to corporations. Yet, I see people clarifying that constantly...when no one is saying otherwise. Free speech as an American ideal, that's all people are really saying. Anyhow, Joyent has every right to shut down their hosting services to anyone they feel...and no one r…
>Are we setting the right precedent, because while we all likely agree that things like Daily Stormer and Gab are platforms for truly hateful people...are we emboldening them by driving them underground?
Yes. No.
I don't find the slippery slope argument compelling. As a society we can decide what is and isn't within the realm of reasonable debate and discourse. Whatever the lines are, the discussion of racial supremacy and systematic oppression and elimination of others seems like something we should all be able to agree is outside the bounds.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#64The "Gab.com banned from PayPal" post is still up. But, this post has been hidden.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't seem like this scenario should make you nervous unless your platform is a venue for discussing genocide.
There were many cases in which hosting companies decided to terminate accounts for whatever reason. And that's generally not a big problem, but 2 days notice on a weekend is just outright shitty behaviour. I can understand Joyent trying to cut ties to Gab, but seriously guys, give them time to migrate.
11 people died and this is where you want to make a stand?
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#66Irregardless of what you think of Gab etc.. Unless the platform is being used for illegal activity and or it is engaging in something that breaks the law these service providers can and should be treated like the phone company. In other words the phone company does not turn off your phone because you are a nazi, racist etc.. Also, and this is an important distinction, there has been no established link between the shooters activity on Gab and what he did. IE: it does not appear that he collaborated with others on it to plan things etc. on the service... and if he had, odds are he probably also used other providers more extensively such as gmail etc..
Hosting providers policing things like this is akin to vigilante justice vs letting it go through the legal system where there is actually due process for everybody, not just the people that the mod likes.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are there others in the >100,000 users range?
You haven't even proven that Gab is a white supremacist site. It's not. That's simply a mudslinging accusation meant to unfairly defame a site, probably because it contains different opinions than your own.
You can easily find antisemitic tripe in Gab's official account. It's a site run by bigots for bigots that likes to pretend it's some neutral, principled free speech crusader. It's thoroughly, painfully obvious to any reasonable person that it's not - it's just a generic online septic tank.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
You missed an important step: nobody was on the platform saying "kill all whites" and then going and actually killing whites. If there was a site that was filled with people saying "kill all whites", and the site was fine with this, and then one of its members went and murdered a load of white people, then yes I'd say they would probably be booted by their host too. They don't get points for booting the actual murder…
No, because it's a lie spread by white supremacists to engender false equivalency. The Dallas police shooter was not involved in Black Lives Matter, and BLM is an explicitly non-violent organization and always has been.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#69I'm not even white, nor do I honestly "admire" white people per se. But it seems perfectly okay to say- "kill all white people" on twitter. Only recently Australian parliament voted against a symbolic motion- "It's okay to be white". And nobody seems to raise a finger. I mean fucking white people ruined Asia, sure. But it had nothing to do with their skin color and it was the ancestors. Somehow gab is the bad guy her…
I find your point to be staggering. Based on your name alone, are you really suggesting that you could engage online in the systematic advocacy of killing against whites in America, and face no consequences?
I guess you’re not exposed to mainstream media? I’m not very worried about the fate of white people in the US, but racism directed at whites is, as far as I can tell, perfectly acceptable discourse among the cultural elites. Might even get you a job at the New York Times.
Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account
#70There is a lot of strawmanning when it comes to free speech. Virtually no one claims the 1st Amendment guarantees people a platform or that it applies to corporations. Yet, I see people clarifying that constantly...when no one is saying otherwise. Free speech as an American ideal, that's all people are really saying. Anyhow, Joyent has every right to shut down their hosting services to anyone they feel...and no one r…
>Are we setting the right precedent, because while we all likely agree that things like Daily Stormer and Gab are platforms for truly hateful people...are we emboldening them by driving them underground? Yes. No. I don't find the slippery slope argument compelling. As a society we can decide what is and isn't within the realm of reasonable debate and discourse. Whatever the lines are, the discussion of racial suprema…
The problem is ofcourse your entire comment is strawman akin to "think of the children" politicians use when attempting to pass bad policy.
If back here in reality the "major platforms" only ever kicked off and censored "the discussion of racial supremacy and systematic oppression and elimination of others" then you might have a point, maybe. But in reality there is an on going attack against the expression of many many viewpoints that are in any way outside the extreme Authoritarian left worldview.
I am sure this will be denied, and I will be down voted (and my speech here in HN suppressed with rate limiting as it often is proving my point) but that does not change the reality.