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The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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Another problem is that the water doesn't taste great.

Source?

Perhaps he's referring to the notion that, in general, the taste of distilled water differs from mineral water?

Also, I was about to post a concern about distilled water possibly leaching nutrients from the body, but a quick google reveals the opposite may be true: https://www.nutriteam.com/distilledleach/

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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Pretty disappointed with their choice of winner. Using refrigeration to maintain a dewpoint means that this appliance is pretty impractical below 50% relative humidity.

Or in other words, this thing only makes water when you probably don't need water.

Blow some nice 90 deg F 20% humid air past those coils, and you'll be blowing out a lot of 80 deg F 25% humid air out on the other side, getting bupkis for actual produced water, but sucking down plenty of juice. Slow down your intake fan to almost zero, and now your water produced goes up from zero, but the slowest of trickles.

Gotta love all that ozone generator carbon filter garbage on the business end. It's all just bells and whistles to put lipstick on a three-legged pig.

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I might be way off base here but is that Jim Mason - Founder of All Power Labs? In that case it hints that gasification could be part of the solution.

As I understand it, it is basically the skysource water extraction device hooked to an all-power labs gassifier, which produces electricity from gassifying organic material. Allpower's product uses the gassifier output in a conventional engine, in turn using that to power a generator. The great part here is - uses locally generated biomass, and produces a waste stream of biochar, which can be used for argiculture, es…

This is by far the best explanation of what they built and why it's significant that I read. Thank you.

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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I think the approach is a bit more novel than normal dehumidifiers. Instead of just collecting water dripping of the condenser coils, they use the cooler air to make a "rain chamber". The website talks about "maintaining a dew point within a condensation chamber".

This sounds like Persian Wind Catchers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher There's a similar type of building which uses temperature difference to generate condensation within a building, creating a pool of water. The name escapes me at the moment.

the wind traps, from Dune?

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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That's a pretty apples-and-oranges comparison. That's a company making ridiculous promises (look ma, no external power input!) and without any third-party verification. This is a company that makes realistic claims (i.e. has actual numbers for power input per liter of water) and whose performance has been verified by the prize-awarding organization.

> has actual numbers for power input per liter of water Where did you find that? All I could find is "0.8-1.8kW/hr" for a machine with capacity with a capacity of "30gal/day". This is complete nonsense, "kW/hr" is neither energy nor power nor energy per volume of product. And if it's power, why does it vary? I'm going to read it as 1.8kW, with a capacity of 30 US gallons (113l) per day. My dehumidifier from the hardw…

Generally a lot of electrical appliances are advertised with kW or W actually meaning kW-hour and W-hour (and yes, this is awful, but it's pretty standard). So your interpretation as 1.8kW is about right.

It varies, as does output, because (as the numbers mention) this all varies wildly by atmospheric temperature and humidity.

(By the way, running the numbers I'm seeing it as 62.77L/kW vs. 50L/kW, which is a 25% improvement, though at much larger scale.)

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They have commercial models for sale that produce half the competition amounts, and have pretty detailed specs online: http://www.skysource.org/products/

Those specs mention producing half the competition's amount in optimal conditions, which I assume means 99% humidity. They don't actually say at what humidity level and temperature their product can deliver that much. They don't give any specific numbers at any specific temperature, only the machine's operating conditions and the upper limit on what it can produce.

I assume they just put together an array of two or three of their high-capacity converters for the competition.

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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It’s an overpriced dehumidifier. Pulling humidity out of the air. It’s not magic. It’s not new. There is water vapor in the air, every middle schooler knows this. They are in Hawaii. An outdoor dehumidifier will work great in a water abundant area. How well do you think a dehumidifier will work in a low humidity area? The places that need water the most. It’s not making water, it’s pulling out the humidity. This is s…

If it was "just a dehumidifier", then someone could've just submitted a pre-existing dehumidifier.

The ignorance in your comment is truly astounding.

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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This sounds like Persian Wind Catchers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher There's a similar type of building which uses temperature difference to generate condensation within a building, creating a pool of water. The name escapes me at the moment.

the wind traps, from Dune?

Similar - wind traps in Persia and Arabia. Those in Dune were probably inspired by their real world counterparts.

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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Is this another one of those dehumidifier machines that promises it can deliver gallons when using a tarp, rope, and a bucket to catch rain water collects more water per year?

RTFA, especially before snarky dismissals: "meeting the competition parameters of extracting a minimum of 2,000 liters of water per day from the atmosphere using 100 percent renewable energy, at a cost of no more than two cents per liter"

where was the machine tested? If it was tested in somewhere more humid then the test data is invalid for use in arid areas where you'd actually need them. Also, that renewable energy is wood chips, so yeah it's renewable but in reality it's just fossil fuels without the "bury for millions of years" step. I'm not sure how that's meant to be an improvement, except perhaps that they can use local trees instead of bringing in other fuels.

Re: The Water Abundance XPrize winner makes water from air

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I think the key difference is that "Skywater machines use a patented Adiabatic Distillation Process, where water vapor is reduced to liquid without a gain or loss of heat." so it's a little different than just a regular dehumidifier. It also seems to be able to pull a lot more water than a normal dehumifiier? "Skywater machines are ranging from Skywater 30 (up to 30 gallons of water each day) to Skywater 300 (up to 3…

The prize requirements limits costs to two cents a gallon, it looked like, so can't be all that bad in the energy front.

"Because the process uses a large amount of electricity, designers paired it with a biomass gassifier, a low-cost source of energy. When the gassifier is filled with wood chips, coconut shells, or whatever biomass is locally available, a process calls pyrolysis vaporizes that material. That makes the system hot and humid, the ideal environment to run the air-to-water machine. Because the process uses a large amount of electricity, designers paired it with a biomass gassifier, a low-cost source of energy. When the gassifier is filled with wood chips, coconut shells, or whatever biomass is locally available, a process calls pyrolysis vaporizes that material. That makes the system hot and humid, the ideal environment to run the air-to-water machine. "

https://www.fastcompany.com/90253718/a-device-that-can-pull-...

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