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Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by hughes »

paulcole wrote: post #59
mabbo wrote: post #3

The BBC website won't display the video of this to me unless I install their app. There's something deeply wrong with that.

> There's something deeply wrong with that Genuinely curious what you think is specifically wrong with it? If the BBC feels the app provides a better experience isn't that up to them?

Can't tell if you're trolling, but the video player user experience has nothing to do with what app you're in. It's entirely reasonable to expect a good in-browser video experience. Additionally, requiring a domain-specific app to be installed is an extremely negative UX.

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by paulcole »

hughes wrote: post #61
paulcole wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's something deeply wrong with that Genuinely curious what you think is specifically wrong with it? If the BBC feels the app provides a better experience isn't that up to them?

Can't tell if you're trolling, but the video player user experience has nothing to do with what app you're in. It's entirely reasonable to expect a good in-browser video experience. Additionally, requiring a domain-specific app to be installed is an extremely negative UX.

I’m not trolling, I simply disagree that a company making a decision about their own product is “deeply troubling.” A little annoying, perhaps.

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by cjCamel »

mproud wrote: post #24

This just in: Apparently every Chess and Go champion in the last millennia is younger than the game.

OP here. That isn't the title I submitted. Mine was pretty boring, but factual. Bit miffed that it has been changed to that (though I did forget the [video] tag).

The original BBC headline was "Teenager beats Tetris champion at game old than he is", which I didn't like.

I note they have now changed it to "Teenager beats man at Tetris to become world champion".

tl;dr headlines about retro computer game championships are hard.

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by yesenadam »

mabbo wrote: post #3

The BBC website won't display the video of this to me unless I install their app. There's something deeply wrong with that.

So - watch Inventing by Principle, work out exactly what your principle is, and change the world. Good luck!

https://vimeo.com/36579366

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by yesenadam »

apetresc wrote: post #53
jancsika wrote: post #47

The real puzzle is why there are so fewer young people playing Tetris-- a fairly recent game-- than, say, Chess-- which has been around for many decades. (An impressive 100% of known Chess masters are younger than the game.) I'd venture to guess the graphics of Tetris already look outdated by today's standards whereas the realism of Chess is much more visually impressive.

I can't tell if you're serious. Chess is a two-player game with centuries of theory behind it, tens of thousands of books, an incredibly competitive tournament scene with an international rating system. Moreover, it's a great spectator sport; watching chess helps you get better at chess. Tetris, by comparison, is a single-player game (it has multiplayer analogues but they're very artificial) with extremely shallow th…

Watching high-level tetris does nothing to improve your own tetris skill.

Is that actually true? It's hard to believe. Surely you'd learn a lot about good strategy and other aspects of the game.

Chess is...a great spectator sport

Hmm yeah well...Watching someone think for 30 minutes about a move isn't that thrilling. Not uncommonly, both players will be away from the board at the same time. Most big tournaments seem to have hardly anyone actually going to them now - the experience of watching online with expert commentators is so much better. Even if you watch live in the room, you're looking at big screens on the wall, not the actual board.

Having said that, chess is the only game/sport I follow these days, I love watching tournaments and matches with commentary online, and analysis videos, banter blitz (grandmaster plays the public online while speaking their thoughts), chess lectures etc. I used to play a lot (it's extremely addictive) but gave up recently - playing (and peoples' behaviour online) can be quite disturbing, but watching is 100% enjoyable. I try to watch in Spanish when possible to improve my Spanish at the same time!

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by newen »

EchoAce wrote: post #48
jancsika wrote: post #47

The real puzzle is why there are so fewer young people playing Tetris-- a fairly recent game-- than, say, Chess-- which has been around for many decades. (An impressive 100% of known Chess masters are younger than the game.) I'd venture to guess the graphics of Tetris already look outdated by today's standards whereas the realism of Chess is much more visually impressive.

That seems like a valid reason; for me, it seems that the competitive nature of chess and its pre-existing establishment in society as a measure of intellect determines its popularity.

Parents pay people to teach their kids chess. There are chess classes and there are large organizations devoted to chess. Chess is at a completely different league than tetris; it's ridiculous to compare the two scenes.

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by pyi »

dragontamer wrote: post #38
pyi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern Tetris games include these versus modes, but they don't really translate well to a truly competitive playing experience IMO. It basically boils down to pure mechanical skill (who can send damage to the opponent faster) without much nuance beyond that -- there are no mechanisms to out-plan your opponent to a victory. Luck plays a huge factor as well -- if you send a bunch of damage to your opponent, you mig…

Wait... whaaa?? 1. Center 4-wide combos: While largely hated, this is not a "luck based" strategy. Its memorization of the various forms that a center-4wide well creates, to maximize the quadratic damage formula of modern SRS Tetris Games with respect to combos. Perform the longest combo, you deal a LOT of damage. 2. Perfect clear players: I've played vs people who can consistently get 2-perfect clears at the beginni…

I guess I should clarify that I quite enjoy SRS Tetris games as well and think of them as a mechanically distinct game from classic Tetris. Center 4-wide is kind of the culmination of the complaints I have about it in a competitive format though -- since it's so powerful, lots of top level matches basically only comes down to who can execute the 4-wide better, which to me isn't really competitively interesting. I think Puyo is the superior versus-style puzzle game, since there's a lot more thought that needs to go into stacking Puyos, sending harassments, timing attacks and managing your resources than in Tetris, where you basically just need to out-DPS your opponent with TSD/TST/combo setups as fast as possible.

I definitely have more traditional tastes when it comes to fighting games, though. As far as Street Fighter games go, I don't think anything has surpassed HF or ST, nor do I think anything ever will with Capcom's current fighting game direction. I do love me some Guilty Gear and Marvel 2/3, though. DBFZ was fun for a week and I LOVE the polish that it received from ASW, but the game itself is sort of bland and repetitive due to its simple universal mechanics.

Re: Teenager beats Tetris game older than he is to become world champion [video]

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Post by pennaMan »

justwalt wrote: post #57
pennaMan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are trying to say that Tetris came out before he was born. Very poor attempt at a sensationalist title.

People in this thread are missing the point. It’s significant in Tetris because he’s playing against people who have been playing since release, an advantage which he didn’t have. The same thing is happening in the Super Smash Bros Melee scene right now, where a new top player is winning games, and he’s the only top player who hasn’t been playing since ~2001-2002. It’s pretty exciting to see someone new beat the old…

Young players will always have the competitive advantage in games requiring speed and dexterity. Just take a look at the age of Starcraft champions - with rare exceptions veterans stand no chance against the young blood
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