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Re: Lawsuit claims Ancestry.com gets preferential access to New York public archives

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”Do you have a detailed cost estimate?” Indeed we do! Several pages, including methodology. Here you go: https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10... Just a quick sample: ”By way of background, our research would indicate the industry standard for fees for a job of this size – turning existing microfiche sheets into scanned digital images – would be approximately $3,000, not $152,000. This would in…

I admire your mission and understand your approach. My only comment for what it's worth is that you may want to pursue a different path for these historical records. Using FOIL to access archival records is not a cost-efficient strategy for any stakeholder. In my opinion, as an observer with no skin in the game is that investing the legal resources you have and working with someone like the library association to lob…

The costs to a city, county, or state agency for digitization under state Freedom of Information laws is zero dollars.

The costs of records requests are entirely borne by the requestor. We pay for the copies (but only the actual duplication costs, no mark-up allowed), we pay for the labor (at the government worker’s actual salary), we pay for the physical media like a USB hard drive or DVD’s, we pay for the shipping.

All the clerk needs to do is agree that the Freedom of Information request is legitimate and not prohibited by any exceptions to the law. And for that, the government employee has free legal counsel available to them in New York, in the form of the Committee on Open Government (COOG), which provides free Advisory Opinions of questions of the law. They answer questions by both e-mail and phone within 24-48 hours, from both requestors and agencies. Other states have similar programs available.

So yeah, this digitization is actually totally free to the government. We bear the costs, not them.

...unless they ignore the law entirely, in which case they get the pleasure of paying for their attorneys, and our attorney fees too. We’ve won those twice so far.

(by the way, the “corruption” in Albany line is a song lyric from the musical “Hamilton”)

Re: Lawsuit claims Ancestry.com gets preferential access to New York public archives

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I’m willing to wager Ancestry does digitization better, faster and cheaper than any non profit would.

The counterexample to your claim is FamilySearch.org, which worked with Reclaim the Records on digitizing a set of records. (It's a nonprofit run by the LDS church, which is a behemoth in genealogy records.)

Read what I wrote and try again. I said nothing about which records were scanned or what they did with them after scanning. I merely spoke of the scanning itself which, buoyed by a profit motive, will be optimized for speed and efficiency, unlike a non profit.
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