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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by simias »

swebs wrote: post #22
chippy wrote: post #15

Discussion on the sqlite-users mailing list: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h... From Richard: "Yes. Clients were encouraging me to have a code of conduct. (Having a CoC seems to be a trendy thing nowadays.) So I looked around and came up with what you found, submitted the idea to the whole staff, and everybody approved."

Someone should also point him here: https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC

I don't care much for CoCs but the tone of the README makes me think that the author is the type of people CoCs are written for (or against). A page long strawman rant.

If you don't care about CoC then don't have one. Don't use this passive aggressive "let me write a thousand word essay to let you know how much I don't care about or have time to deal with CoCs".

>However, if someone tells you you are stupid, or wrong. Stop. Think. Does this have anything to do with your race, region, religion, or anything else not related to this project? This is a tricky one. Have you considered, that they are either having a bad day, are a bad listener, or possibly, you are wrong? If you feel you're not wrong, please, by all means, reply.

If I call somebody stupid in the context of a technical contribution to a project then I'm being unprofessional and out of line. Doesn't mean that I should automatically be executed publicly but I don't see why it should be the person being insulted who should introspect to figure out what I meant exactly.

Oh and if I contribute to your project and you call me stupid I can assure you that I won't reply, I'll get out of here as fast as I can and never return.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by tchalla »

chippy wrote: post #15

Discussion on the sqlite-users mailing list: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h... From Richard: "Yes. Clients were encouraging me to have a code of conduct. (Having a CoC seems to be a trendy thing nowadays.) So I looked around and came up with what you found, submitted the idea to the whole staff, and everybody approved."

On 19 Oct 2018, at 6:26pm

http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h...

> Yeah, that's gonna magically appear on Hacker News within the month. For those curious ...

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by drivingmenuts »

lsd5you wrote: post #23
idoubtit wrote: post #17

I don't understand the purpose of this. I hope it's an elaborate joke, but it is surprisingly unprofessional. A few years ago I spent some time in their dev mailing list and proposed a patch. I doubt I'd still do this in this context. This code of conduct that requires members to honor th Christ, even as a joke, would make me reluctant to interact with SQLite.

Yes, but when did professionalism become a requirement for open source software?

> Yes, but when did professionalism become a requirement for open source software?

About the point where a third developer joined a project.

One person can slag himself all day long and it's just crazy muttering.

Two people can slag each other all day long and it's he said/she said or some combination thereof.

Three people ... dammit, there's a witness.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by stephenr »

simias wrote: post #60
chippy wrote: post #15

Discussion on the sqlite-users mailing list: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.h... From Richard: "Yes. Clients were encouraging me to have a code of conduct. (Having a CoC seems to be a trendy thing nowadays.) So I looked around and came up with what you found, submitted the idea to the whole staff, and everybody approved."

Leaving aside the religious aspect of the CoC which are probably going to be controversial the other rules are actually fairly common sense. A few that caught my eye: > Do not give way to anger. > Do not nurse a grudge. > Do not entertain deceit in your heart. > Do not give a false peace. > Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself. > Utter only truth from heart and mouth. > Do not return evil for evil. > Be not a…

> Respect your seniors

How about just "respect people".

I've literally seen how "respect your seniors" plays out in reality: any idea from new/junior team members is effectively ignored, because they're not 'senior' enough.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by stephenr »

finnthehuman wrote: post #55

I am surprised at how dismissive and intolerant the comments here are of this code of conduct. And I say this as an atheist that still harbors a lot of resentment against my family's religion. Do you have so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith (no pun intended)?

> so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith

I think it's more that the wording suggests the author pushing his own faith onto others.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by diddid »

stephenr wrote: post #66
simias wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving aside the religious aspect of the CoC which are probably going to be controversial the other rules are actually fairly common sense. A few that caught my eye: > Do not give way to anger. > Do not nurse a grudge. > Do not entertain deceit in your heart. > Do not give a false peace. > Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself. > Utter only truth from heart and mouth. > Do not return evil for evil. > Be not a…

> Respect your seniors How about just "respect people". I've literally seen how "respect your seniors" plays out in reality: any idea from new/junior team members is effectively ignored, because they're not 'senior' enough.

Seriously? The next point is “love your juniors” so what you are saying shouldn’t happen. But then again... I think loving your juniors usually ends up with HR.
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