Enhanced autopilot is now $5k up front or $6k later. It used to be $4k up front or $5k later.
Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available
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#62This is mostly the end game of Elon's Tesla Master plan: https://solartribune.com/master-plan/
Regarding one of the last points in that, I continue to be baffled by Elon/Tesla's focus on shared personal vehicles, instead of public transport.
I continue to be baffled why people are baffled that most people prefer not to travel in cramped, enclosed spaces with random strangers and without the option to carry more than what you can hold in your hands. Sometimes people even have more than one small child with them. Is that really so hard to understand? The personal transport vehicle has been desirable from the beginning of time and now (almost) everyone can afford one. The big downsides are traffic congestion and space taken up with parking and roads. Those can be almost completely mitigated with cheap tunneling tech and automatic driving. Musk and friends are serious working on both of those projects also.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
TCO isn't nonsense. Because they aren't comparing to the TCO of other automobiles, they have to adjust the sticker price to help buyers consider the TCO.
Did Apple include TCO in their iPhone pricing given that they support their device longer than other OEMs ? No. Did Toyota include TCO in their hybrid car pricing given that it also reduces gas consumption? No. Did Rolex include TCO in their watch pricing given that the resale value doesn't significantly depreciate ? No. Nobody does this because it's intentionally deceptive.
Actually, iPhone pricing from US telcos used to only show the discounted price, with the carrier subsidy. You paid sales tax on the full price, but that number was in the fine print.
These days you can buy it either way, so it's more obvious.
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#64Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…
Looks like they still don't have the "standard interior" option available, so that's extra $5k. Once (or if) they offer standard interior, we're talking $40k. If they're calling this battery option mid-range and it's 260mi range, then it's sounds like we're yet to see the 200+mi (maybe 210-220) $35k car. They're probably not able to produce the $35k car yet without losing money.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quite sensibly. It seemed pretty shady to me to charge customers for a feature that wasn't delivered or legally approved or likely even finished. I suspect they're finding the shipped hardware isn't enough to accomplish what they want with the necessary reliability. Elon has already hinted that shipped 3's will need a computer upgrade to support full self-driving. They are probably wisely backing off on guaranteeing…
> It seemed pretty shady to me to charge customers for a feature that wasn't delivered or legally approved or likely even finished It's still available for the Model X and Model S. The disclosure when you pay for it is very clear. They are not acting sketchy when they sell it to you. I'd guess it has more to do with not enough people ordering it, so removing the option streamlines fulfillment. > I suspect they're fin…
> The disclosure when you pay for it is very clear.
IMO their marketing probably leads customers to be more optimistic about the expected payout of their $x,000 investment than is justified. Though that is not necessarily deliberate deception, they may be unrealistically optimistic themselves.
Misleading marketing or not, I'd say it's sketchy in the sense that it's an over-promise. If they eventually have to face a reality where their hardware doesn't it cut it, they might be on the hook for thousands of customers' respective thousands of dollars of pre-orders, which is a huge capital liability. Quite possibly 10 figures.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regarding one of the last points in that, I continue to be baffled by Elon/Tesla's focus on shared personal vehicles, instead of public transport.
I continue to be baffled why people are baffled that most people prefer not to travel in cramped, enclosed spaces with random strangers and without the option to carry more than what you can hold in your hands. Sometimes people even have more than one small child with them. Is that really so hard to understand? The personal transport vehicle has been desirable from the beginning of time and now (almost) everyone can…
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#67They've probably exhausted RWD demand backlog so I wouldn't be surprised if this was (initially)a software-limited long range battery, so that they can sell their RWD inventory.
Given that the delivery dates are 6-10 weeks in the future, they have plenty of time to put the correct size battery packs in. The previous examples of software-limited packs were in situations where they offered a bunch of sizes, more than 2, in a much lower volume product, and didn't want to produce or keep producing all of them. This time it's only 2 sizes in a higher volume product.
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#68I really can't bring myself to buy a new car but this would be about the most enticing. Even if I were wealthy I would probably still buy used cars (and my hobby is racing so it is not as if I don't appreciate cars).
at high 'racing' speeds, perhaps you should be aware that it doesn't have the best aerodynamics for road-holding (i.e. negative lift or downforce). also many people have reported some vibration issues that couldn't be resolved; https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/vibration-high-speeds
On the plus side, the Model 3 is much better with the cooling issues that S/X have when track racing. What cars this inexpensive have good downforce?
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#69Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…
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#70It also appears they have removed the option for purchasing the "Full Self Driving" functionality.
I noticed that and two other changes that cancel each other out from when I ordered mine. White paint is now $2k instead of $1500 White interior is now $1k instead of $1500
supply chain back pressure ?