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Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'd like to switch to Fastmail, but I have a handful of seldom-used secondary accounts (e.g., for family members), and it doesn't make sense to pay $5/mo/each when they're free on G Suite. Their pricing structure is designed for organizations or single users, but somehow my use case falls in between. It seems a bit off that my household can stream as many movies as we want for $11/mo, or have unlimited access to an e…

I had the exact same problem. Then I found https://www.migadu.com/ "Have as many email addresses on as many domains you need, anytime. No extra costs. All your projects, ideas, employees, family members and IoT devices are welcome. Pets too. Migadu is a radically different, independent email hosting from Switzerland. We do not count your domains, mailboxes, gigabytes or teeth."

First I've heard of these guys but it looks like a great deal. It looks almost to good to be true for a family.

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Check protonmail.com and tutanota.de as alternatives

It is worth noting that these don't support IMAP and Contacts/Calendar like most email services do. (They say that it has to do with how they handle their encryption)

ProtonMail does have an IMAP bridge you can setup locally.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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Can definitely recommend FastMail - I migrated from Gmail around 4 years ago and haven't looked back

It has a clean, powerful UI with good shortcuts. DNS management and basic site hosting (with automatic Let's Encrypt support), great calendar and contacts support.

Had some problems with some senders getting rate limited a while back, but worked with support to get it fixed up.

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Yeah I completely agree this is something that needs consideration. I do have an email address with my own domain but for security reasons any accounts I create are tied to my gmail address. I've known too many people who have had personal domain email addresses intercepted, particularly through compromised domain/DNS settings. One simple MX record adjustment could mean every single bank account, social media profile…

> One simple MX record adjustment Not sure if it's simple but how do you intend to protect against DNS record hacks?

google does the protecting against dns record attacks on gmail.com

"How?" is not the unanswerable question for them and for that domain, that it is for you & me and you&me.com

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'd like to switch to Fastmail, but I have a handful of seldom-used secondary accounts (e.g., for family members), and it doesn't make sense to pay $5/mo/each when they're free on G Suite. Their pricing structure is designed for organizations or single users, but somehow my use case falls in between. It seems a bit off that my household can stream as many movies as we want for $11/mo, or have unlimited access to an e…

I had the exact same problem. Then I found https://www.migadu.com/ "Have as many email addresses on as many domains you need, anytime. No extra costs. All your projects, ideas, employees, family members and IoT devices are welcome. Pets too. Migadu is a radically different, independent email hosting from Switzerland. We do not count your domains, mailboxes, gigabytes or teeth."

I'm just browsing their website and it seems a bit too good to be true... The only drawback I see are daily sending limits (which I'm very happy with).

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I'd love to switch away from Gmail, but its security is so compelling that, afaik, nobody else comes close. How many other companies have Tavis Ormandy's on staff to do security audits for their users, let alone free users? Is there a single other email provider that gets security right to the extent Google does?

Yeah I completely agree this is something that needs consideration. I do have an email address with my own domain but for security reasons any accounts I create are tied to my gmail address. I've known too many people who have had personal domain email addresses intercepted, particularly through compromised domain/DNS settings. One simple MX record adjustment could mean every single bank account, social media profile…

How does using gmail address compromised DNS? I mean if they compromise your DNS it doesn't matter who is hosting your email, they just point the MX at a different service.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'd love to switch away from Gmail, but its security is so compelling that, afaik, nobody else comes close. How many other companies have Tavis Ormandy's on staff to do security audits for their users, let alone free users? Is there a single other email provider that gets security right to the extent Google does?

ProtonMail's security is formidable, but the messages are encrypted in such a way as to not be searchable. If security is your concern and long-term search isn't, consider giving them a go. Great mobile app, too.

Their "end-to-end" encryption claims as well as their schtick about being hosted in Switzerland make it abundantly clear that I will never trust their security. I would go so far as to use almost any other major email provider over ProtonMail.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I completely agree this is something that needs consideration. I do have an email address with my own domain but for security reasons any accounts I create are tied to my gmail address. I've known too many people who have had personal domain email addresses intercepted, particularly through compromised domain/DNS settings. One simple MX record adjustment could mean every single bank account, social media profile…

How does using gmail address compromised DNS? I mean if they compromise your DNS it doesn't matter who is hosting your email, they just point the MX at a different service.

Sorry, you're probably talking about using the @gmail.com domain where you wouldn't have to worry about DNS. I was thinking about custom domains in G-Suite.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is worth noting that these don't support IMAP and Contacts/Calendar like most email services do. (They say that it has to do with how they handle their encryption)

ProtonMail does have an IMAP bridge you can setup locally.

(Only for Windows and Mac OS, though)

https://protonmail.com/bridge/install

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