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Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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OK... opinion post here... hell with that... rant here. I have to say the whole notion of "trending" I find ridiculous, and even a bit offensive. That somehow because a zillion people find something interesting, that I should, too, makes clear that the best we've done in filtering is assume people are sheep and need to be "fed" as such. Even with the targeted suggestions they do when they look at my viewing history (…

I totally agree that popular stuff is beneath us techno wizards, but thats not the point of fairtrending. The magic of social media is that corperate executives and media conglomerates don't get to pick what goes to the top. The users do. That's why Facebook 'curating' the trending news feed was so messed up. The whole point of trending is to see what actual real people are interested in, not just what a dozen editor…

Sure, that's the idea, but it has no more chance of success than does Facebook purposefully curating to the masses... indeed: no curation suffers the same problem that someone's assumption about what I should be interested in, without first understanding me does: my wants, dreams, desires, fears, interests, curiosity, etc. are all out of the picture: be it the corporate curator or the unthinking algorithm, they all look the same. So, in the end "Fair Trending" is utterly useless to me; in fact, the posted site looks worse than Facebook curating the trending news... Facebook at least looked intelligently tone-deaf. The linked site... just looks mindless.

At the end of the day nobody should second hand their interests and be so passive as to care at all what "trends". In fact, a pure random pick out of all the possible options would likely be more interesting and engaging than this "Fair Trending" can do or corporate engagement efforts... while a random pick certainly wouldn't be perfect, it at least it surface interesting and original ideas/content that don't necessarily click the "group-think" and "lowest-common-denominator" boxes.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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I was not expecting the truth to be SO much worse than the algorithmically provided view. I'm sold on algorithmic timelines now. That Youtube is awful. People are awful. Fortnite Battle Royale is awful. I don't want to see any of those.

And all those people are voters.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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I was not expecting the truth to be SO much worse than the algorithmically provided view. I'm sold on algorithmic timelines now. That Youtube is awful. People are awful. Fortnite Battle Royale is awful. I don't want to see any of those.

Shows how low quality society is now.

Not really. Centralized recommendations dont provide value to majority of clusters in the network.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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I was not expecting the truth to be SO much worse than the algorithmically provided view. I'm sold on algorithmic timelines now. That Youtube is awful. People are awful. Fortnite Battle Royale is awful. I don't want to see any of those.

And all those people are voters.

I wonder. It's probably mostly children watching these videos, right? It has to be... right?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And all those people are voters.

I wonder. It's probably mostly children watching these videos, right? It has to be... right?

Voting age has a trend to going lower and lower. Even in the traditionally conservative US

> In 2013, the City of Takoma Park, Maryland became the first place in the United States to lower its voting age to 16, for local (but not general) elections and referendums. As of 2018, three additional cities have lowered the voting age to 16: Hyattsville and Greenbelt in Maryland, and Berkeley in California (for school board elections only). In 2018, a bill in the Council of the District of Columbia was proposed to lower the voting age to 16, which would make the federal district the first jurisdiction to lower the voting age for federal level elections.

Re: Fair Trending: Objectively-Ranked Trending YouTube Videos

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I was not expecting the truth to be SO much worse than the algorithmically provided view. I'm sold on algorithmic timelines now. That Youtube is awful. People are awful. Fortnite Battle Royale is awful. I don't want to see any of those.

I think it's more complicated than that. YouTube's algorithms don't just represent (or misrepresent) the truth, they also have a role in creating the truth. That is to say, if YouTube's algorithms disproportionately represent terrible (likely) sponsored videos on the trending pages and your personal feed, those videos will as a result objectively receive more views. The only way a "fair trending" approach could reall…

This is the same issue with models like Black Scholes that came to be used in pricing options. Or the confounding issues with gravitons having energy such that they themselves generate gravitons - hence the loopback effect.

Self-modifying programs are still an enigma we haven't untied.

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