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Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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You would think that. Unfortunately many/most people care more about their precious roads than they do about infrastructure.

are roads not infrastructure? that transports food, and medicine?

In the article, he's referring to people complaining about a 2-minute increase in their commute time for something that can absolutely benefit the community.

The short-sightedness is astounding.

Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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Can't imagine it would be worth the investor liability/risk for a couple $k.

It’s crowdfunding. He would raise hundreds of thousands or millions.

Can't be sued by investors when you don't have any.

Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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I’m already well aware there’s fiber on poles here. The difference is, their network isn’t built to support FTTH, it’s built to support a few larger enterprises that are willing to pay $3,000/m for a circuit. Name one person that doesn’t want fiber internet. Saying there isn’t a big enough market for service when literally every single household and business purchases internet is ridiculous. We already have 60% of th…

Absolutely true. I have property about 30 miles north of WB and Frontier told me they can't get a technician out to replace my service until January. It would be faster for me to crawl on the ground to the nearest PoP and plugin to a GPON port then it would be for me to wait for them.

Yes (I have my own version of this story that involves drilling holes in a mountain top for a tower, pouring concrete, deploying my own solar power system, microwave links, ...) however note that Frontier are making money by not providing you service. There is no mythical better ISP who will spool fiber 30 miles out to you, and will then sit back making money. They will go broke.

Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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What happened to Citynet? They were supposed to wire the whole of Amsterdam with open access fiber. Did they stop after the Reggefiber/KPN acquisition?

The cost for micro trenching can be upwards of $200k a building in Manhattan. I would assume dealing with sunken homes, collapsed PoE's and NIMBY folks would make it prohibitively expensive. But I have no idea why they stopped.

Manhattan?

Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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I was recently at BornHack2018, a small security camp for the 3rd summer this year held on the island of Bornholm. The organisers also run BornFiber who are connecting the entire island with optical broadband. BornFiber is a good example of how anyone with the right skill can start a fiber provider here in the nordics. I'm glad to see this philosophy being adopted by the US. However. Once they have fiber they still n…

If only they were on the other side of Denmark. I wanted to bring some fiber to a small German island called Insel Fohr.

So what's stopping you? :)

Just get some neighbors together and go for it.

Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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Great write-up. Great entrepreneurial tenacity. Would love more insight on the wireless challenges and how you tackle them? I wonder if a software monitoring app could detect increased noise and automate channel hopping. Surely that must exist -- on the other hand, you mentioned the vendors do everything to lower the BOM, so perhaps they are lazy and this software is needed. Could be a good OSS project.

So Mimosa, one of the hardware vendors we use, does actually have this built-in to their firmware. The issue is, from what I've seen, is that it hops around too much. It also moves to congested channels sometimes. I'm sure there's a way to perfect it, we just don't have the time at the moment (I also don't believe they provide full API access yet, so I'm not even sure if we can change it without creating an automated…

Jaime from Mimosa here...happy to speak to the software radio related stuff, thanks Chris for mentioning. So we've done a huge amount of experimentation on auto-channel approaches now that we've had a few years to collect data and analyze. Simple answer is it's really different in different environments, and if you're collocating with yourself vs. with other WISPs and gear.

We definitely allow the B5 series to be more aggressive on auto-changes since it's dual-chain, and is in a noisy band, so moving 1 impacted chain while we keep the other up, if it means better throughput, is a nice option IF that's what you want.

To your comment Chris, we definitely will begin to open channel programming via software API for y'all, and more rich monitoring in the API/SNMP info relatively soon (hoping before year end).

When it comes to 5 GHz, I always suggest "exclude before you auto" - we were unique in offering single page spectrum setup and live spectrum analysis to make it easy for you to program where you want the radios to operate. So smarter exclusion based auto can be really nice if you know how to use it well. As you know, we built this all in the radio, but hadn't opened it up externally much other than the UI/browser.

We actually also built in some L2 and beacon discovery smarts to locally detect other radios on the same sync settings to make sure to coordinate so to speak. Frankly speaking, even if the radio wants to make a change, it has no way of knowing if it might impact something else, it just knows what's best for it's own operation without some higher level spectrum management coordination, so some coordination intelligence is a must if you have some spectrum that needs protecting when collocated.

Really the need for auto behaviors is relatively limited to backhaul and unlicensed - most don't want their sector/APs to move unless it's a major event given all the clients connected. On new products like the B24, we really just analyze narrowing channels if things get bad enough, but there's really no other channels to move to, and on licensed products, you have to stick to your licensed channel of course.

On multipoint, for example, the APs collect and analyze spectrum masks from each client, and the primary thing they'll do is allow an individual client to narrow (e.g. from the 80 MHz channel to 20 MHz) in case they see more noise in a part of the channel, poor mans OFDMA, but that functionality becomes very advanced in the 11ax based chip for us in the future.

Lots of new stuff announcing and shipping this week and in Vegas next month, so stay tuned.

Re: Starting an ISP: Deploying Fiber

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So what is his competitive advantage over the incumbent providers - the cable company and the phone provider? Is he offering service in areas they aren’t? https://www.broadbandsearch.net/service/pennsylvania/scranto...

He's doing fiber optic. They're doing DSL and cable.

But his speeds aren’t any better than cable. And yes I am dying a little inside for actually recommending Comcast....
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