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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by gameswithgo »

jcroll wrote: post #48
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?

It is the lying we throw a fit about, mostly. Personally though I would MUCH prefer to actually pay for things than to have free things "monetized".

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by kaishiro »

zapita wrote: post #47

I understand the rationale for filing this issue, although I personally disagree with it... Docker for Mac is great freeware, and I don’t mind logging into Steam and Mac Store for my other apps, so I don’t have an issue with doing the same with Docker. But for someone who greatly cares about not having to give their email, I can see how it can be annoying to see the policy change after they started using the software…

While I agree there seems to be a significant amount of negativity on display, I'm not sure I'm shocked by it. The ticket response by joaofnfernandes is remarkably tone deaf and reads as fairly dishonest.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by btown »

bmc7505 wrote: post #38

If you're frustrated with Docker's slow pace of development are are looking for a good alternative, have a look at Singularity containers. They're interoperable with Docker Hub and OCI compatible images, and offer a much better experience for HPC, machine learning and big data environments. Their GPU support is top notch. They don't run on as many platforms as Docker, but are aiming to grow into cross-platform. Sylab…

Is there any overhead due to the virtualization layer, relative to bare metal? Scientific computing usually has much more stringent requirements for CPU/GPU performance than the average web startup. If the performance is good enough, containerization would be a great match for the domain, as you’re often shipping code to government-funded clusters you have little control over.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by [deleted] »

jcroll wrote: post #48
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?

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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by amaccuish »

larkeith wrote: post #40
amaccuish wrote: post #8

I also can't delete my account myself after having created it. I believe the best way to operate is to make something as easy to delete as it was to create...

Pretty sure that violates GDPR. Might want to email them about that.

Ye I only managed to find a "feedback" email address.

If they're going to make you have an account, they could have thought about what if people want their account deleted...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by gameswithgo »

zapita wrote: post #47

I understand the rationale for filing this issue, although I personally disagree with it... Docker for Mac is great freeware, and I don’t mind logging into Steam and Mac Store for my other apps, so I don’t have an issue with doing the same with Docker. But for someone who greatly cares about not having to give their email, I can see how it can be annoying to see the policy change after they started using the software…

>Either way... Holy shit is that github thread full of negativity and entitlement! Pretty shocking. Even if you’re unhappy with something, that’s no way to treat a team that is giving you a tool for free!

I think the fact that you focus on the "entitlement" and that I focus on the fact that the maintainer gave a bullshit, misleading answer to an important question, is related to the fact that you don't mind having to log in to download a tool and I do.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jchw »

gshulegaard wrote: post #53
jchw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, as far as I know, Docker for Windows and Docker for Mac really are closed source freeware. My honest opinion is we should move away from it. As for what to move to... That's definitely an open question. Docker for Windows is definitely one of the best developer experiences I've had on Windows because they put actual engineering work into it. All the same, I still found it buggier and less supported than Docker…

If you want lightweight virtual machine functionality I would recommend LXD/LXC. If you want app virtualization and packaging, I have been pretty intrigued by what I have found out experimenting with `snaps`. The biggest issue for me that I have hit with LXD/LXC is that host-to-container mount sharing is not as easy...which means I had to do some workflow alteration for moving from `docker` containers to `lxd` ones f…

Well, what I really want is to develop, test and utilize containers as part of my development process. For example, doing work in Docker containers allows reproducible, hermetic builds (importantly, it allows this, though it certainly doesn't guarantee or force it.)

Many containers that I develop or use will also be used in a Kubernetes cluster or at least as part of CD, so most importantly I want a local setup that mirrors to a degree what the remote setups look like.

Snaps provide something a bit different, more geared toward end users. I have no huge opinion regarding them, the isolation aspect is novel but unfortunately a bit of a PITA as of today.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by gameswithgo »

threeseed wrote: post #59
zapita wrote: post #47

I understand the rationale for filing this issue, although I personally disagree with it... Docker for Mac is great freeware, and I don’t mind logging into Steam and Mac Store for my other apps, so I don’t have an issue with doing the same with Docker. But for someone who greatly cares about not having to give their email, I can see how it can be annoying to see the policy change after they started using the software…

The more hilarious part is the reaction from here. You can't be a successful startup if you don't have a list of your product's users.

>You can't be a successful startup if you don't have a list of your product's users.

Id Software does not have a list of people who used Doom.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by delbel »

Ubuntu for raspberry pi requires a ubuntu login continue installing it, after formatting and setting the network up. It won't let you boot into a working setup until you create account on their website. Kind of hard if you don't have access to any other device.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by ori_b »

edoceo wrote: post #18
ghayes wrote: post #14

Can anyone post an experience using rkt [0]. I'd love an alternative to using Docker for containers, though I'm not sure how well a community has evolved around rkt. [0] https://github.com/rkt/rkt

This comment made/makes me steer away https://github.com/rkt/rkt/issues/3912 There is another open issue claiming the project is dead (but maybe it's just stable) My whole team is onboard with docker, and we don't need account to install/use.

Why do you believe that churn is a good thing, especially for a thin wrapper around Linux namespaces? There should not be much this is actually doing, so lots of commits would be worrying.
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