Brazil sets new record for homicides • Hacker News Board

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by briandear » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:57 PM UTC

ransom1538 wrote: post #52

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

Venenzuela fully “disarmed” in 2013. And the murder rate went up significantly. Mexico is also “disarmed” and their murder rate is sky high. There is no correlation to gun disarming and crime rate reduction. The problems aren’t caused by guns, but by disfunctional governments.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by shiftpgdn » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:58 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #58

anoncoward111 wrote: post #3

I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

>S population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. Yet mass shootings are becoming dramatically more common. What I find curious is that while the Brazilian murder rate is about 6 or 7 times that in the US, the rate of firearm related deaths is 'only' double. Is firearm suicide dramatically more common in the US, or are a lot of the murders perpetrated in Brazil not firearm relat…

70-80% of all firearm deaths in the US are suicide related.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 6:59 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #28

duncanawoods wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the conflict that's causing such a high rate? I associate Col/Mex deaths with cartels warring over trafficking routes but what is happening in Brazil? Is it just street trade?

Normal business disputes are settled through the courts (or the threat of the courts). Disputes related to illegal business are settled through violence. The state benefits by maintaining a base level of violence, so it always keeps some popular industries outlawed.

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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by Retric » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

ransom1538 wrote: post #52

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

Brazil's population is growing, so it's really the rate of violence especially for 15-35 year olds that's important.

However, all current and past statistics are questionable making assessment difficult.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by ulzeraj » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #56

ulzeraj wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s ignore the fact that the last president was a woman and that this is the direct result of her party disastrous administration. Blame machismo. It always works.

Your first point is a good one. However I don’t think you can blame one administration with all this mess surely?

Not one but 3 and a half. Her predecessor from the same party ruled for 8 years and she was president for 6 years before being impeached for fiscal embezzlement. So yeah... 12 years in which crime rates skyrocketed.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by dsnuh » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

mfoy_ wrote: post #9

anoncoward111 wrote: post #3

I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

I mean, there's more to a "good" or "bad" neighbourhood than how many people die each year. There's all the other types of crime, for instance... That, and if you want to raise a family, what kind of role models and community surrounds your children is important.

Yeah, when I hear "bad neighborhood", I think more of property related crime, graffiti, loitering, abandoned/neglected houses, etc.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by goshx » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

bennicholes wrote: post #49

goshx wrote: post #42

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You never know when you are going to be targeted, so you live in this constant fear. Ask anyone who lives in Brazil what they do if they see two guys in a motorcycle coming their way. I've been robbed at gun point; I've woken up with someone inside my bedroom stealing my laptop; I've been followed home; The bus from the public transport system I used to take was stopped by criminals and set on fire; and so on. It use…

Where did you live in Brazil? As an American I visit the interior of São Paulo and Belo Horizonte often and have never experienced anything like this, nor does it seem my Brazilian friends live in constant anxiety.

In Florianópolis. It is a big island and it used to be very peaceful, until the work to "clean up" Rio's and Sao Paulo's slums was started in preparation for the World Cup and Olympic Games.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by personlurking » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

MrEfficiency wrote: post #32

rvr_ wrote: post #18

Brazilian here. Our criminality numbers are _probably_ higher than the official numbers. The country is huge and diverse, but even the most pacific states and cities are in a bad shape if compared to almost any other country. More than 70% of the deaths are related to gang conflicts. Drugs are not the only problem. We also have a lot of cargo/truck stealing, street-level robbery, an enormous black market of stolen mo…

Whats this like for civilians that are not involved? I hear about the crime in my country, but it seems unreal to me because in my area you'd never know there were dozens of murders last weekend. Does this affect your life?

Not Brazilian but I used to live there. I'd say one of the main problems for the average citizen is the general uncertainty. When you leave your house to go out for the night, for example, you're planning your route based on what streets you're less likely to be robbed on. On TV, last year, a woman from Rio was being interviewed at the hospital and said "it used to be if you left your house, you didn't know if you'd be coming back. Now you don't even know if you'll get to where you're trying to go."

Personally, and due to the mostly tropical weather, living in Brazil also means wearing simple clothes, nothing fancy (not that this was a derivation from my actual style). Some people apparently carry a stealable amount of money on them - possibly in a second wallet, in a place that can be easily reached for when/if held up.

A few years ago, I saw a news report about the popularity of an anti-theft accessory for the back of one's cell phone, connected to a ring that goes on the user's finger, so that no one can run by and grab it. Though when confronted with someone who stops you and wants your phone, it's best to just give it to them, cause they could be not only armed but on drugs (ex. sniffing glue). Plus, if you do react, it's possible - depending on your location, like downtown or the beach - they have several friends nearby.

Malls tend to be the de facto "public space" where teens hang out, due to a lack of actual safe public spaces.

I'm sure I could say a lot more but those are some general thoughts that come to mind. Most of my years in Brazil were spent in Rio, fyi.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by coliveira » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #60

coliveira wrote: post #53

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Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Millions of Brazilians Fall Back into Poverty

https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc

"Meanwhile, budgetary pressures and the conservative policies of President Michel Temer are translating into cuts in social services. Among those hit is the Bolsa Familia — Family Allowance — program that gives small subsidies each month to qualifying low-income people. It’s credited with much of the poverty reduction during Brazil’s boom decade."

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by ulzeraj » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

forinti wrote: post #46

ulzeraj wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s ignore the fact that the last president was a woman and that this is the direct result of her party disastrous administration. Blame machismo. It always works.

The lower house has 513 members and 54 women. The senate has 81 members and 13 women. Only 12% of mayors are women. Dilma was the first and only female president.

I love how you still hold on to the narrative that if we elect women all the problems will go away when in Brazil female politicians like Dilma Housseff and Gleisi Hoffman are pretty much as corrupt as their male counterparts.