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Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by wiz21c »

mksaunders wrote: post #43
sjmulder wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why we're being singled out :-) Didn't mean no harm or to single you guys out. You're doing fantastic work. But broken and noncompliant notices do bother me a bit. Sorry to drag on like this but the privacy statement (thanks for linking) says: takes place only with the consent of the user It does not, as there appears to be a second cookie notice underneath the first stating how consent is assumed: We use on…

Thanks for the feedback! I'll pass it on to the website team :-)

Very good answer. By these time of GDPR and privacy protection, it's super important that open source/free software project be absolute models in those areas. Indeed, when I recommend using free software like LibreOffice, its in great part because of the trust I have in your code (trust that I won't be fd now or in the future). Uncompromizing handling of cookies is part of that trust. Thanks for your wonderful job !

edit: in case it's not clear : i'm all for appropriate tracking (in your context, improving the website), provided that 1/ I know about it 2/ I have a choice (in your case, I'll opt in* if I can)

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by voltagex_ »

zokier wrote: post #56
kqr wrote: post #25

I have grown increasingly disinterested in Office Suites, and in particular word processors, over time. When composing documents, I prefer to let the final production medium to dictate the production process. (If I don't, I tend to run into issues relating to the final product that are costly to overcome late in the process.) With this mindset, I still haven't found the use case for word processors. If I aim for some…

I've been thinking that we need a new generation of word processors aimed for authoring blog posts (and wiki pages etc). Sure you and I might be happy editing markdown with vi (although honestly I'm not happu with that), but that is not really solution for wider usage. Most features of word processors are equally applicable for web-style content, but somehow we ended up having completely separate ecosystem there. One…

Windows Live Writer became Open Live Writer!

https://github.com/OpenLiveWriter/OpenLiveWriter

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by kqr »

zokier wrote: post #56
kqr wrote: post #25

I have grown increasingly disinterested in Office Suites, and in particular word processors, over time. When composing documents, I prefer to let the final production medium to dictate the production process. (If I don't, I tend to run into issues relating to the final product that are costly to overcome late in the process.) With this mindset, I still haven't found the use case for word processors. If I aim for some…

I've been thinking that we need a new generation of word processors aimed for authoring blog posts (and wiki pages etc). Sure you and I might be happy editing markdown with vi (although honestly I'm not happu with that), but that is not really solution for wider usage. Most features of word processors are equally applicable for web-style content, but somehow we ended up having completely separate ecosystem there. One…

I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but have you tried Emacs Org mode? It is structural plain text at its core, but Emacs theming functionality lets you live preview the document to reasonable detail. It has matured enough to provide advanced functionality expected from word processors, and it has a powerful exporting and publishing framework capable of producing all sorts of document types including blog posts.

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by jkabrg »

kqr wrote: post #25

I have grown increasingly disinterested in Office Suites, and in particular word processors, over time. When composing documents, I prefer to let the final production medium to dictate the production process. (If I don't, I tend to run into issues relating to the final product that are costly to overcome late in the process.) With this mindset, I still haven't found the use case for word processors. If I aim for some…

In my university days, I used a word processor (Libreoffice Writer) as a kind of clipboard: I would copy and paste tables and webpages into it, and use it for something, I don't recall what. It's a bit like a quick-and-dirty Dreamweaver and it interacts with copy-and-paste beautifully. Kudos to the Libreoffice people.

A lot of the alternatives, like LyX, are too opinionated to paste into from the browser.

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by Aloha »

kqr wrote: post #25

I have grown increasingly disinterested in Office Suites, and in particular word processors, over time. When composing documents, I prefer to let the final production medium to dictate the production process. (If I don't, I tend to run into issues relating to the final product that are costly to overcome late in the process.) With this mindset, I still haven't found the use case for word processors. If I aim for some…

I live in a world where I have to interact with non-technical people, and I need to produce documents that are editable by those non-technical people.

Non-technical people can take a document produced by pages, MS Word, and OO Writer, and load them up, make changes and send them back. The cloud has not yet caught up with my part of the industry I work in.

I'd love to be able to work in Markdown (or even groff) and then feed that to something to produce nice looking documents - in the end I use word, because its the easiest way to get passed the post. PDF is my most favored document interchange format, provided that edibility is not a prime desire.

What I'd love is a word processor, that allows me to use PDF as the prime document format for saving, editing, etc.

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by arminiusreturns »

kqr wrote: post #57
vxNsr wrote: post #36

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People use word processors to write documents that can be easily edited by multiple people while still being easily readable the whole time. I'd be interested to know what product you use to compose your documents in.

In the absence of forced company policy, my experience of word processors have generally been one of rather poor compatibility. I assume company policies are what helps people interact through word processors? I personally like Org to compose the copy of a document. It's a plain text format that makes sense to a lot of people, the reference implementation has most of the powerful features I'd miss from word processor…

I second emacs org mode. I've started to really buy into the everything is text nix philosophy. I use it for so much, my website skeletons are exported to html from org, my data science workbooks are org, my resume is org I export to latex, and so on.

I also use libreoffice, but mostly only when forced to deal with docs or PowerPoint etc. I think libreoffice does a lot of things right and am glad to have their wysiwyg when I don't feel like thinking.

Also, I think it's shameful so many professors require docx..

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by jancsika »

kqr wrote: post #25

I have grown increasingly disinterested in Office Suites, and in particular word processors, over time. When composing documents, I prefer to let the final production medium to dictate the production process. (If I don't, I tend to run into issues relating to the final product that are costly to overcome late in the process.) With this mindset, I still haven't found the use case for word processors. If I aim for some…

The productivity increase from using a single WYSIWYG word processor instead of four different technologies (one of which is LaTex which won't give you any output for certain types of errors) is worth the marginal decrease in quality of output.

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by ptero »

mksaunders wrote: post #15
WorkLifeBalance wrote: post #14

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1. What you've described as 'not "tracking" ' is tracking. It's not third-party tracking but you're still deliberately adding a cookie for the purpose of tracking users across your site. 2. Your privacy policy contains: > !!!add opt-out frame on the website at this position!!!

> 1. What you've described as 'not "tracking" ' is tracking. It's not third-party tracking but you're still deliberately adding a cookie for the purpose of tracking users across your site. OK, we're using open source tools to try to improve the site. Plenty of other FOSS projects do this... Not sure why we're being singled out :-)

You are not singled out, treat this as user preferences or feature requests. People here are direct, but this is an environment feature of HN. Most folks here greatly appreciate your work (I do). That said, let me throw a few more stones:

1. The fact that you use OS tools to track users is almost irrelevant. I can still collect and lose data with FOSS tools. A tool is a tool (and tracking is tracking).

2. Sorry, I am not buying the "we need to know how you move on site to improve it". You write a great FOSS office productivity tool set. You should not care how much time users spend on your site, etc. In fact, your web site can be pretty basic for downloading new software. If you really need to figure out how people move within your site this should be easy to recover from IPs and web server logs.

Just my 2c and please keep doing your great work!

Re: LibreOffice 6.1 released

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Post by dkonofalski »

jhasse wrote: post #44
mksaunders wrote: post #42

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Look at it this way: * If we had a bad website, people would complain that it's ineffective, and not helping drive people towards FOSS * If we then add open source analytics tools to try to improve the site, people ask why we are "tracking" them * If we then add a banner, people complain that we're training people to ignore banners ...so it's hard to get anything right, it seems! We could remove Piwik completely (alt…

You're are assuming that not using tracking will automatically result in a bad website. > We could remove Piwik completely Yes, please do that. > But then it'd be much harder to improve our website. Why?

You've clearly never done any work (either development or UX) for a website. If you don't know how your users are using your product, there's no way for you improve it. If the people working on the website want real usability data, then tracking is the best way to get it. Focus groups and forced testing can only give you so much information and it's not exactly easy to get a group of people that includes active users of your site.

I know you didn't intend it this way but your response smacks of complete ignorance.

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