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Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by rock_artist »

For desktop, running macOS on a custom PC is the way to go.

For mobile, where you do want decent battery life and power management I still use Apple's machines.

Many people here are UN*X ppl and that's great. But for people doing creative work such as Video, Audio, Graphics there are only 2 platforms - macOS / Windows.

I hope and believe Linux will catch up... there are already some products available in Linux flavor. But until then and when Apple's in-house ARM will be old enough to ditch Intel machines...

That's one of the most valid choices.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

detaro wrote: post #60
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. >I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: I don't see how the two perspectives are related, unless you think a company failing to meet your needs as a consumer is a valid reason to steal from said company.

They aren't saying they are related except that they are both arguments against using Hackintoshes?

By saying that they don't look at it as stealing and then saying that they look at it another way, there is an implication that the way they look at it somehow relates to the perspective that it's stealing.

In other words, there has to be some reason that they don't see it as stealing but do see it as a failure by Apple to meet the needs of it's consumers. That reason is the relationship between the two concepts and I don't understand what that relationship is.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by joshmn »

I have a very well-equipped Hackintosh that has been my daily driver for the last 3 years. I've upgraded from Yosemite to El Capitan to Sierra without any issues, even when using the official upgrade method via iTunes. It sleeps, has working Bluetooth; FaceTime works too. It's incredibly stable.

I also have a pair of rMBPs.

I dual boot with Windows 10 so I can game when I want to.

It's all about getting a very compatible motherboard. If you don't do your research, it's going to be a battle.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by detaro »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #62
detaro wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't saying they are related except that they are both arguments against using Hackintoshes?

By saying that they don't look at it as stealing and then saying that they look at it another way, there is an implication that the way they look at it somehow relates to the perspective that it's stealing. In other words, there has to be some reason that they don't see it as stealing but do see it as a failure by Apple to meet the needs of it's consumers. That reason is the relationship between the two concepts and…

No, they just see the their argument as a better one against making a Hackintosh. No need to even consider the "stealing" angle if you think a Hackintosh would be bad anyways.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by mmphosis »

komali2 wrote: post #16
mprev wrote: post #11

I moved to a Mac after a decade of Linux on the desktop. After years of fiddling with drivers, crappy trackpad behaviours and so on, I wanted a computer that got out of my way and just worked. MacOS is far from perfect but it works perfectly with Apple hardware. If I wanted to go back to seeing my operating system as a hobby then Linux would be mostly a better option.

Funny, I'm the opposite. I was tired of jumping through insane hoops for years to get Mac to have good window management, or make keybindings the same in all apps, or have my desktop look the way I wanted, so I switched to Ubuntu 18. I actually scheduled a PTO day for it because I thought it would take like 18 hours to get drivers config'd and all that (my last try was like Ubuntu 14 or something), but it literally w…

And, I'm the opposite.

window management:

Turn off all the window edge snapping. Put up with single pixel borders, windows not saving their monitor, size and position. Put up with the single tab at the top of the window eating up screen space. Put up with a few other minor annoyances due to bugs in Xfce.

make keybindings the same in all apps:

  alias x='/usr/bin/setxkbmap -option ctrl:swap_lalt_lctl'
Use autokey to rebind the keys in the terminal, so that Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V work as Copy and Paste. Rebind most of the Alt keys to Ctrl keys in the terminal.

Uninstall a lot of other crap I don't need or want. I should switch to another leaner distro (ie. no systemd), but it has taken a lot of effort to get to a system that works well for my needs despite all my preferences from using Mac OS X for so long. I don't think I could use a more recent version of what is now macos.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by old-gregg »

jdietrich wrote: post #48

Why you shouldn't build a Hackintosh: it's a pain in the ass, things will probably break after a major OSX update and the usability gap between OSX and Windows 10 has closed considerably over the past few years.

> usability gap between OSX and Windows 10 has closed considerably over the past few years.

What do you mean? A few examples would be helpful. I am not a frequent Windows user but my impressions, mostly confirmed by seeing other people comment online, is that Windows 7 was the "zenith of Windows UX", with a major step back due to "tabletization" with Windows 8 and partial return to glory with Windows 10.

The fact that some apps are designed for touch and look ridiculous on a desktop (calculator), others exist in two forms (the control panel) only makes Windows 10 more confusing, not less.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

detaro wrote: post #64
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By saying that they don't look at it as stealing and then saying that they look at it another way, there is an implication that the way they look at it somehow relates to the perspective that it's stealing. In other words, there has to be some reason that they don't see it as stealing but do see it as a failure by Apple to meet the needs of it's consumers. That reason is the relationship between the two concepts and…

No, they just see the their argument as a better one against making a Hackintosh. No need to even consider the "stealing" angle if you think a Hackintosh would be bad anyways.

I didn't read their argument as being anti-hackintosh.

I read their argument as "some people say it's immoral to run a hackintosh, but I think it's not immoral because Apple isn't providing their consumers with a valid alternative".

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by hellisothers »

e12e wrote: post #57
peatmoss wrote: post #14

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I don't feel a moral obligation not to steal from Apple. I'm not sure I could steal (and use) an amount from them that would impact them at all. I mean even if I stole a classroom full of MacBook pro's in order to give free programming classes - it's not like it would affect Apple in any meaning…

What does “never be able to run a legally licensed os” mean in this context? I am an iOS engineer and avid photographer: I work on a Hackintosh, I develop my photos on my Hackintosh. I’ve had 0 problems with this setup and it cost me 1/10th as much as a similarly specced Mac. And my “similar” I’m being generous to the Mac because my machine is faster

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by detaro »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #67
detaro wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they just see the their argument as a better one against making a Hackintosh. No need to even consider the "stealing" angle if you think a Hackintosh would be bad anyways.

I didn't read their argument as being anti-hackintosh. I read their argument as "some people say it's immoral to run a hackintosh, but I think it's not immoral because Apple isn't providing their consumers with a valid alternative".

The last bit is pretty clear IMHO:

> Every Hackintosh continues to add momentum to that platform ecosystem, enriching it so that Apple can continue on more or less as they want.

I use Linux (and OpenBSD occasionally) these days, and I do so in part so that I can sometimes be the guy who sands off a rough corner or two. Even by using the platform and occasionally submitting bug reports, you’re enriching a platform that may be the last un-nerfed general purpose computing platform standing.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Post by berbec »

mbell wrote: post #59
komali2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't for the life of me understand why Thinkpad doesn't nuke Mac in sales, other than I guess marketing? Or just maybe people prefer the "simplicity" of MacOS? Because Apple hardware is pretty? I must be neckbearding, because from an objective standpoint, it doesn't make any damn sense. Swappable batteries (on some models), universally better keyboards (at the very least, more robust!), usually far cheaper for far…

> Swappable batteries (on some models), I don't see the advantage, why would I pay the size / weight penalty? I don't use my machine long enough on battery in a single sitting to gain any benefit from extra batteries. > universally better keyboards (at the very least, more robust!), That is not an objective statement, its purely subjective. > usually far cheaper for far better internals, Not really, if you actually b…

> CPUs aren't advancing that fast and by the time you would want to upgrade the CPU there is a pretty good chance the new CPU requires a new chipset.

This is true in intel land, but AMD has kept compatible mobos for many, many cycles now. Ryzen is the first forced refresh, and I'd say you should be very willing to pay the extra to go from Bulldozer to Zen

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