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Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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The page talks mentions MVC, and the issue page[0] keeps mentioning MVC as well. Was this supposed to be MVP, or something else? Model-view-controller doesn't make sense in the context. [0] https://gitlab.com/meltano/meltano/issues/10

We use the term mvc here, as "minimal valuable change", in a recognition that it may not be a product yet.

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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Are you releasing/sharing any of the extractors you built for various services?

All of our extractors are available in our source code, which is open source. http://gitlab.com/meltano/meltano/. Right now we are working towards an MVP, so things might be in flux, but we value any feedback you have.

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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Is there any example of an open source software company that has taken on so many products at once, so early in its life, and succeeded?

We did https://about.gitlab.com/2017/10/11/from-dev-to-devops/ when we where at 50% of our current number of engineers. So far so good.

Really no, look at all the comments here (and this is only from techies): you have lost us, we don't know anymore what you are doing, or even trying to do.

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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I'm sorry to heard your experience with GitLab hasn't been smooth. We have more people then ever working on the core of GitLab. And the number of reported issues per customer are going down. But every problem is one too many. Please email me at sytse@gitlab.com if you're open to a call about your situation.

> And the number of reported issues per customer are going down. This doesn't mean anything, maybe the customers are simply tired of reporting issues. For example last year we didn't do any updates for 6 months because we were afraid it'd break something and we were too busy to be willing to spend the time reporting problems. We also don't report issues that are already open on gitlab.com, reporting the issue means y…

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Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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I can't understand why GitLab thinks they have to embark on a new project every so often instead of focusing on their current product and features. There is just a lot to work on, so many of the current features/products are half assed. At my place we moved to GitLab 2.5 years ago and updates where smoother back then but the past few months we had to hire a new sys admin for our build machines and GitLab server to fo…

I'm sorry to heard your experience with GitLab hasn't been smooth. We have more people then ever working on the core of GitLab. And the number of reported issues per customer are going down. But every problem is one too many. Please email me at sytse@gitlab.com if you're open to a call about your situation.

> the number of reported issues per customer are going down

Couldn't that just be because you have more silent customers now? Probably from the people moved their projects from GitHub

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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Sure - just shot you an email at website@yourhandle.com

Thanks to both of you for your time doing that discussion! @slap_shot and anyone else — I'm curious if you have thoughts on, or even have heard of the Ballerina language? It's a programming language for doing data integration work, built by the ESB/integration consultancy WSO2. It seems to have a lot of eng resources sunk into it but surprisingly little fanfare. The CEO's interview with the Software Engineering Daily…

This look very interesting! I haven't heard of it before, but you've definitely piqued my interest. Thank you for the links.

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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Is there some resemblance with Floydhub http://floydhub.com/ ?

Personally, I quite like the approach FloydHub has for deep learning projects. At GitLab, we currently don't have any deep learning projects happening - we're still further down the AI hierarchy of needs - i.e. focusing on solid data infrastructure and descriptive analytics.

I fully expect we'll have a use case for the "cool" machine learning stuff, but there's a lot of groundwork to cover with the basics first. Meltano is focusing on those basics for right now.

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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I wish they would focus on making a fast, stable, GitHub alternative.

This is Gitlab taking stuff they were doing already internally and making it available to a broader audience.

Once you take VC funding, you gotta go where the money is. Everyone wants/expects "fast, stable, like Github" for free unless you have special needs. So, you do analytics on what people are doing with your free site, you offer enterprisey features, you get into the "platform" business etc.

I think Gitlab distracts itself, spreads itself thin, and isn't great at partnering, its ambition to do-it-all knows no bounds, which is both commendable and a smh moment. It's not likely sustainable or scalable. They're definitely trying to "go big or go home" as a company, which is not how most originally felt about Gitlab (a fast, stable OSS alternative to Github).

At the same time, I can't blame them. I think it comes down to: Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to heard your experience with GitLab hasn't been smooth. We have more people then ever working on the core of GitLab. And the number of reported issues per customer are going down. But every problem is one too many. Please email me at sytse@gitlab.com if you're open to a call about your situation.

> And the number of reported issues per customer are going down. This doesn't mean anything, maybe the customers are simply tired of reporting issues. For example last year we didn't do any updates for 6 months because we were afraid it'd break something and we were too busy to be willing to spend the time reporting problems. We also don't report issues that are already open on gitlab.com, reporting the issue means y…

>maybe the customers are simply tired of reporting issues. For example last year we didn't do any updates for 6 months because we were afraid it'd break something and we were too busy to be willing to spend the time reporting problems.

We just stopped upgrading GitLab over 2 years ago, we're on 8.9

Re: GitLab is working on a tool just for data teams

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https://quiltdata.com/ ticks a lot of boxes in this space for me.

This could potentially become part of the Meltano stack. At GitLab, we're not at the phase yet where we're in need of data versioning. But I could imagine a data registry that's integrated with the workflow of data analysts/scientists to easily link versions of code and data.

Thanks for the link - we'll definitely keep an eye on it.

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