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New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber/Lyft use limited road space more efficiently vs traditional cabs due to 1. Shared rides (Uber Pool and Lyft Line) 2. Lower deadheading factor, as Uber and Lyft work on larger scale and use better dispatching algorithms, so they need to drive less to pickup next passenger

This is false. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2018/07/25/uber-and-lyft-are-ove...

Your source does not support your claim.

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Before becoming mayor, de Blasio lived here in Park Slope. I guess he never used these yellow cabs he’s so interested in preserving because getting one to go to Brooklyn from Manhattan is fucking impossible. Seriously, everything about yellow cab service is worse. Why don’t they buy back the medallions instead?

So true, my girlfriend had a driver pull his emergency brake then claim his brakes "didn't work" and she had to get out, because he didn't want to drive to Brooklyn. I have 0 sympathy for yellow cabs, Uber and Lyft have raised the bar. If cabs want to compete they need to completely rethink their experience.

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Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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Why is everyone treating this news like it's all or nothing ("oh noes they want us to go back to medallion cabs!") rather than assessing it at face value. The number of TLC cars has skyrocketed recently. Which, in many important ways, is a good thing. But this is a crowded city, literally everything that is at risk of runaway growth in this city is regulated, and for good reason, all the way down to hot dog carts. Th…

Because this is literally exactly why Uber came to be. It wasn't because people didn't like the color of the medallion taxis.

It was because the death by a thousand cuts of incremental regulation left such a gaping hole between the crappy service being provided and the end users' needs that people were open to the idea of using a completely unregulated, clearly illegal service instead.

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(Former NYC resident here.) For those who don't know, the state of the NYC Subway System is abysmal and plummeted several years ago due to neglect and underinvestment. I went to NYC last weekend and, just like the previous 7 times i went there, subways weren't running normally after-hours (growing up, it functioned well 24-7). This time (last weekend) no subways were running to where I needed to go. The only option w…

> The only option was Uber/Lyft New Yorkers have relied on cabs for generations before Uber and Lyft. > Removing Uber/Lyft is a bad idea They aren't removing them, just regulating the number of cars, of which there is an oversupply: the number of for-hire vehicles in the city has surged, rising to more than 100,000 vehicles, from about 63,000 in 2015, according to the city.

They relied on the subway for generations, too.

Does that mean everything is exactly the same as it once as?

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#65

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> Why should the city buy them back So otherwise hopeless drivers/single medallion owners who are severely in debt don't end up committing mass suicide.

> single medallion owners Most medallions are owned by corporate owners [1]. The drivers work for the medallion owner. The medallion owner collects rent. [1] http://nymag.com/nymetro/urban/features/taxi/n_10292/

>CURRENT OWNERSHIP: 17 percent of medallions are owned by cab fleets; 54 percent are owned by leasing agents, who delegate management to fleets; and 29 percent are owned by independent drivers.

I think 29%, 12,187 * .29 ~ 3500 cab drivers, is not insignificant numbers. I don't know though anyone who owns their own medallions -- a few I knew worked for a company that leased their medallions and they paid something like $1000 per week.

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(Former NYC resident here.) For those who don't know, the state of the NYC Subway System is abysmal and plummeted several years ago due to neglect and underinvestment. I went to NYC last weekend and, just like the previous 7 times i went there, subways weren't running normally after-hours (growing up, it functioned well 24-7). This time (last weekend) no subways were running to where I needed to go. The only option w…

> The only option was Uber/Lyft New Yorkers have relied on cabs for generations before Uber and Lyft. > Removing Uber/Lyft is a bad idea They aren't removing them, just regulating the number of cars, of which there is an oversupply: the number of for-hire vehicles in the city has surged, rising to more than 100,000 vehicles, from about 63,000 in 2015, according to the city.

>> The only option was Uber/Lyft

> New Yorkers have relied on cabs for generations before Uber and Lyft.

Subway: 2.75 Uber/Lyft Pool: $17 Yellow Cab: $30++ (depends on how round-about a route they decide to take, often just to make more money)

Uber/Lyft Pool hurt. Yellow cab would be a punch to the gut. Perhaps Uber/Lyft Pool isnt the answer, but i'm evaluating options in the context of what my current available options are, not what they might be in a perfect world.

Plus, they disappear as soon as it is raining and a bunch refuse to take you into Brooklyn (i know they are not allowed to refuse, but what do you do if they refuse, call a lawyer?)

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post #29

(Former NYC resident here.) For those who don't know, the state of the NYC Subway System is abysmal and plummeted several years ago due to neglect and underinvestment. I went to NYC last weekend and, just like the previous 7 times i went there, subways weren't running normally after-hours (growing up, it functioned well 24-7). This time (last weekend) no subways were running to where I needed to go. The only option w…

Would you mind sharing what stops you were trying to travel between?

I was traveling from Manhattan into Ft. Hamilton Parkway on the F Train. There were no F Trains running to the stop without having to transfer to two other trains, which would have their own problems and outages.

On the way back, it was even worse:

PICTURE EVIDENCE: https://imgur.com/a/p4JCaPP

EVIDENCE NOTE 1: Monitor claiming F trains would arrive

EVIDENCE NOTE 2: Sign contracting what monitor says

EVIDENCE NOTE 3: Monitor and Sign side-by-side

I used the MTA Subway Time app and it claimed F trains were on their way, these were obviously schedule data and werent changed despite the weekend-long outage. So if you used the MTA Subway Time, you'd wait forever.

I used the Google Pigeon app to report it. Given the official app had fake arrival times, best to use (or in this case, to contribute to) a crowd-sourced data source based on reality.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a good thing? Supply goes up due to demand at a specific price point. So either the supply is increasing to meet demand (which is good), or the price is falling so more quantity is demanded (which is also good).

the limitation is the capacity of the roads, which this is addressing, for New York City.

The means by which they address this works only for the wealthy.

I can afford a $30 yellow cab fare once in a while, but it cannot be the de facto option day to day. The same with congestion pricing -- great...if you're wealthy.

Perhaps the way to address the overuse of the roads might be to fix the reason the are being overused...because subways dont work in NYC anymore

Re: New York Could Become First Major U.S. City to Cap Uber and Similar Vehicles

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the city buy them back? They sold the assets, they have no obligation to re-purchase them. Investment risk is in the hands of those people (usually companies) who purchase them. Besides, at what price would they even buy them back at? They're certainly not worth the price that some people pay for them (last I checked, about $1M each).

Because Taxi drivers depend on them to make a living and to eventually retire on. It's a big investment.

How many individual drivers even own medallions? I was under the impression most of the time cab companies own them and drivers take the cars out from a pool.

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(Former NYC resident here.) For those who don't know, the state of the NYC Subway System is abysmal and plummeted several years ago due to neglect and underinvestment. I went to NYC last weekend and, just like the previous 7 times i went there, subways weren't running normally after-hours (growing up, it functioned well 24-7). This time (last weekend) no subways were running to where I needed to go. The only option w…

For those new to the topic of NYC Subway decline, see this NYC Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/nyregion/new-york-subway-...
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