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We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by SubiculumCode »

ethbro wrote: post #25
ryandvm wrote: post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously. So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate. I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of a…

This is exactly what is needed, and placed in phones at the chip level, ie photo authenticity certified by Samsung.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by SubiculumCode »

gonehome wrote: post #56
ethbro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously. So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate. I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of a…

I've been thinking about this and I think a tricky part is editing, since naturally people are going to want to edit the video for normal reasons but I think that will mess with the signature? I guess you could always have the unedited version posted and verified, but that has its own difficulties too.

This is why a sort of chain of evidence would be required.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by SubiculumCode »

billylindeman wrote: post #31
ethbro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously. So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate. I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of a…

I think audio/video authentication is gonna be huge also. One thought would be merkle proof of hashes of the keyframes and then a signature of the merkle root. drop that bad boy into an eos / eth contract.

I think it may be the true use case for crypto.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by SubiculumCode »

politician wrote: post #59

My personal belief is that we should be generating vast amounts of deep fake videos and audio clips now that the technology is available. We should intentionally and hastily move to pollute the information streams around us as rapidly as possible in order to force an evolution in how we process information. To attempt to slow down this arms race, or to ignore its implications just puts us at a further disadvantage to…

That's step 1. Step 2 is to provide a product that resolves the issue through crypto/blockchain certification.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by YaxelPerez »

ethbro wrote: post #25
ryandvm wrote: post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously. So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate. I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of a…

I don't think cryptographic authentication will help very much.

It's probably safe to assume that most people susceptible to fake news are computer-illiterate. Or at least, not as technical as the HN crowd. Why would normal people suddenly start listening to some nerd mumbo-jumbo they don't understand?

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by JKCalhoun »

ryandvm wrote: post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

Deep fakes though make it much worse.

Before, only those inclined to believe a false narrative would allow themselves to be convinced by a selectively edited interview or whathaveyou.

From here out even the more discriminating of us are likely going to find ourselves being duped.

Who are still safe? The skeptics of course. Are we to be left as a society of skeptics though that doubt everything?

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by Cyphase »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #63
billylindeman wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think audio/video authentication is gonna be huge also. One thought would be merkle proof of hashes of the keyframes and then a signature of the merkle root. drop that bad boy into an eos / eth contract.

I think it may be the true use case for crypto.

Crypto(graphy) already has plenty of use cases. I think you're probably referring to cryptocurrencies/blockchains.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by deltron3030 »

Cyphase wrote: post #33
ZeroBugBounce wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is not agreeing on facts/truth The Great Filter?

For those who aren't familiar with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter > The Great Filter, in the context of the Fermi paradox, is whatever prevents "dead matter" from giving rise, in time, to "expanding lasting life". The concept originates in Robin Hanson's argument that the failure to find any extraterrestrial civilizations in the observable universe implies the possibility something is wrong with one o…

In design and development, most processes are about sequences of diversion and conversion, and not being able to diverge, or only through violence, seems to be a major flaw of real political systems, there's a toxic fanatism about conversion and unity at all cost, which seems contrary to human evolution.

The last major diversion happened with the creation of the US, where a part that had different ideals split from its european core. the same thing happened throughout our history, starting in Africa from where people spread into the middle east and then beyond.

The options to handle this drive for diversion are either diversion into space, and/or inwards, reformation to gain time until we can spread into space.

Tech shouldn't be used to enforce conversion, but to enable peaceful diversion. Diversion, and diversion of opinion makes sense if there's a free flow of information. Political systems just haven't cought up.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Post by GrumpyNl »

ryandvm wrote: post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

Uhh, isnt this what advertsing does?
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