Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana (1995) • Hacker News Board

Re: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana (1995)

#61

Post by EGreg » Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

rainbowmverse wrote: post #60

EGreg wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can like it, but I know that protocols are driven by large commercial projects, not the other way around. oAuth was pioneered by Twitter and took off BECAUSE they had clout. I have seen FOAF, Personas and tons of other things fall by the wayside without adoption.

You and I are talking about completely different things. I don't care about numbers or prospective adoption of a private company's protocol and platform. I'm talking about what I can do now . What I'm already using it for. What's on the horizon. What's not going to happen. It's popular enough for my needs. It's funded. It's in active development. No matter how popular your protocol gets, it's still your protocol. I h…

Twitter has centralized servers.

Wordpress is used by 1/3 of all websites in the world.

Our thing is like Wordpress not Twitter.

So while it doesn’t currently support the latest protocol du jour (XMPP? FriendFeed? FOAF? ActivityPub? PubSubHubbub? Scuttlebutt?) it actually WORKS and people can use it to actually build apps today that are on par with what they get in Facebook.

Like I said if all we wanted was to have a microblog we would be done very soon. As it is that is 1% of the functionality you need for realtime collaboration, offline notifications etc.

Re: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana (1995)

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Post by rainbowmverse » Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 4:56 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #61

rainbowmverse wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and I are talking about completely different things. I don't care about numbers or prospective adoption of a private company's protocol and platform. I'm talking about what I can do now . What I'm already using it for. What's on the horizon. What's not going to happen. It's popular enough for my needs. It's funded. It's in active development. No matter how popular your protocol gets, it's still your protocol. I h…

Twitter has centralized servers. Wordpress is used by 1/3 of all websites in the world. Our thing is like Wordpress not Twitter. So while it doesn’t currently support the latest protocol du jour (XMPP? FriendFeed? FOAF? ActivityPub? PubSubHubbub? Scuttlebutt?) it actually WORKS and people can use it to actually build apps today that are on par with what they get in Facebook. Like I said if all we wanted was to have a…

You're not trying to understand me. You keep repeating irrelevant or misinformed points.

You go make your thing. I'll keep enjoying the platform I'm on.

Re: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana (1995)

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Post by JohnClark1337 » Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 8:42 PM UTC

People take search engines for granted today, but that's what really changed the internet into something useful. That and learning that you can sell user's metadata for tons of $$$$. Those were really the two innovations that this author (and most people at the time) didn't see coming.

Re: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana (1995)

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Post by EGreg » Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 10:02 AM UTC

rainbowmverse wrote: post #62

EGreg wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter has centralized servers. Wordpress is used by 1/3 of all websites in the world. Our thing is like Wordpress not Twitter. So while it doesn’t currently support the latest protocol du jour (XMPP? FriendFeed? FOAF? ActivityPub? PubSubHubbub? Scuttlebutt?) it actually WORKS and people can use it to actually build apps today that are on par with what they get in Facebook. Like I said if all we wanted was to have a…

You're not trying to understand me. You keep repeating irrelevant or misinformed points. You go make your thing. I'll keep enjoying the platform I'm on.

So you just commented to say you enjoy the platform you’re on, and therefore WE missed the boat and no one needs our platform?

I guess I don’t understand your point ultimately. Just because YOU like something specific for your needs doesn’t mean there isn’t a large opportunity for something that addresses a totally different need.

Re: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana (1995)

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 1:34 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #64

rainbowmverse wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not trying to understand me. You keep repeating irrelevant or misinformed points. You go make your thing. I'll keep enjoying the platform I'm on.

So you just commented to say you enjoy the platform you’re on, and therefore WE missed the boat and no one needs our platform? I guess I don’t understand your point ultimately. Just because YOU like something specific for your needs doesn’t mean there isn’t a large opportunity for something that addresses a totally different need.

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