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LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Human translation (I should practice my German anyway): Because introducing a new data system didn't work out, the Deutsche Post (German Mail) has already booked higher losses a few years ago. The same now happened to Lidl. The planned system still doesn't work smoothly after seven years and more than half a billion euros in costs. Now, the discount store pulled the kill chord. For years, Lidl is expanding operations…

> pulled the kill chord.

pulled the plug

> For years, Lidl is expanding operations.

For years, Lidl has expanded operations.

> high-turnover countries

high-volume or high-revenue

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that's an other thing, when you look at these solutions from afar you often see the core functionality and think it's not a big deal but the devil is always in the details, the millions of small functionalities hidden everywhere for specific tasks is what makes it very hard to compete. Every company has specificities, they want to interface with $external_software, they want to import $arcane_data_format etc...…

ERP systems are basically accounts packages with aspirations for world domination. From a long way, and I mean a really long way, they seem straightforward - but get close and they are Lovecraftian horrors. Remember, SAP is how Lucifer interacts with our world .

Whereas Oracle is how Larry Ellison interacts with our world.

A reasonable business case for SAP, I suppose.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"you could do the same thing for 1% the cost and it'd work better etc." I used to think that - then I did some work with large scale ERP systems and realised that I was wildly wrong. Fortunately I moved into other areas while I still had some sanity.

Care to elaborate?

Consider this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning#F...

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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My wife worked for a large law firm that decided to standardize on SAP. That's sensible - there are loads of legal practice management suites out there that are designed to cope with the peculiar demands of legal billing - so let's ignore all those and buy a product that doesn't do it, and spend millions adding customization to get what we want.

Of course the project was killed after 3/4 years and millions spent.

A good thing for SAP that in the large firms they target, mediocrity floats upwards!

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a high-turnover country?

Just a bad translation. umsatzstarke means lucrative, so "lucrative, or high-profit" countries.

In the context of a retailer, "high turnover" means that individual products spend very little time on the shelf before being sold, and they are replaced with new products very quickly. For LIDL that means places where they have very busy stores. These places are "lucrative" because they are busy, but are not at all "high profit" - they sell products with extremely small profit margins.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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The article says that in the end, “Lidl” decided to ditch “SAP” and continue developing their own, internal solution. From my own experience: good on them; it’ll certainly cost them an order of magnitude less, on the order of five million, to get it going again and then maybe 750 grand a year for the staff salaries. Good on “Lidl” for going back to classic IT.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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Anyone have a good recommendation for SAP alternative for small medium businesses (SMB)? All the companies I work for use something equally convoluted like Oracle and SAP. When I worked at a startup, I debated for a long time which ERP/PDM system will be the most effective (which I never answered).

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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SAP was, and will always stay, a mystery to me. It is ridiculously expensive and complex. I know that the problems it aims to solve are also highly complex and very specific, but reading stories like this, plus (if you live in Germany and work in the IT industry) sometimes hearing unbelievable stories from your peers, it always confuses me that companies still want so much SAP. In the late 90s/early 00s a lot of peop…

Former SAP employee here, who btw, is very critical of SAP. I also happen to have worked in Escalation Management at SAP, who's prime responsibility was to take SAP projects that were about to go south and put them into "escalation" before they the hit newspapers.

Let me try to explain the mystery around SAP.

1. Most of the situations where SAP projects go haywire is largely due to (a) incorrect implementation by the service integrator and (b) challenges between business processes and systems support for those business processes. Sally in accounting wants to see sales per unit for the Germany promotional rollout, while Karen in marketing wants to see overall sales for 100 store locations in both Germany and Netherlands. The NL's retail stores don't split out VAT because their POS systems don't allow you to do that...etc etc. You can see where this is going...

2. Implementing ERP at the global level is incredibly complex. There's this idea (especially in the HN circles) to just "throw SaaS" at the problem, but it's not that simple. If you haven't been involved with an implementation at this size, it's not worth discussing. It's a wonderful hodgepodge of culture challenges, project management methodology clashes, and misalignment of strategy.

3. Yes, no one ever got fired for hiring SAP, just like they did with IBM. This is obviously changing, but still has some truth to it (see next point).

4. Honestly, being a CIO of a global F500 company absolutely sucks. If you try to stick your head out and do anything innovative and it fails, your axed. Many CIOs simply go into turtle mode - protect the budget you're given by the CFO and just don't f anything up. A CIO who choses to build a custom ERP and fails will be fired 100x faster than one who uses a packaged solution and it fails.

5. What's the alternative? Oracle? At this level, they're all the same (ok, not totally true, but generally accurate).

Happy to answer any questions...this area is unfortunately/fortunately close to my heart.

Re: LIDL cancels SAP introduction after spending 500M Euro

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SAP was, and will always stay, a mystery to me. It is ridiculously expensive and complex. I know that the problems it aims to solve are also highly complex and very specific, but reading stories like this, plus (if you live in Germany and work in the IT industry) sometimes hearing unbelievable stories from your peers, it always confuses me that companies still want so much SAP. In the late 90s/early 00s a lot of peop…

I have not yet seen a SAP software that could not be replaced with a homemade Django/Rails web app (90% CRUD) and some external API integrations to other services that may exist in the company such HR, invoicing etc. Of course, at the fraction of the the cost of the SAP solution.

That is one hell of a Django app.
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