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Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by dang »

rasengan wrote: post #25

Why is this post sinking? Is someone at HN trying to censor this too like the Tesla stuff? It has more upvotes in less time than any other post on the front page. The top post has 35 upvotes in 2 hours. This post is falling off the front page with 81 upvotes in less than an hour. This is completely sketch.

There have been huge threads about this story in the last few days.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Zwiebelfreunde%20points%3E30&s...

When a story is ongoing, moderators downweight follow-ups unless and until they contain significant new information. Otherwise the discussions tend to be repetitive, reacting only to the original event which has already been discussed, and more likely to attract unsubstantive and flamewar-style comments, as well as complaints from other users about the same story reappearing too many times.

This approach is something we figured out after the Great Snowden Avalanche of 2013, and it has turned out to be a good balance that serves HN well.

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by dang »

HenryBemis wrote: post #11

Germans won't learn from their past. Watching "the lives of others" doesn't mean anything to them. "Security" forces always want to shadow/spy on anyong and anything "just in case". This is how Democracies fail. This is how humanity reverts to the age of "securitat". German has one of the most elaborate spying-on-its-own-citizens dragnet around the world. This sting operations are just to bully/frighten anyone who da…

This crosses into nationalistic flamewar. We don't want any of that here, and ban accounts that do it repeatedly, so please don't post like this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by dang »

rasengan wrote: post #30
rasengan wrote: post #25

Why is this post sinking? Is someone at HN trying to censor this too like the Tesla stuff? It has more upvotes in less time than any other post on the front page. The top post has 35 upvotes in 2 hours. This post is falling off the front page with 81 upvotes in less than an hour. This is completely sketch.

Addition: why would a truthful fact be downvoted?

Please don't break the site guidelines by going on about downvotes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by dang »

_red wrote: post #12
Daemon6 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imo stating "AfD is Nazi party 2.0" is very oversimplified. I agree there are some Nazi supporters there but most are people with anti illegal immigration views which doesn't mean they are Nazis.

Don't you know modern corporate globalism speak yet? If you think your nation should have borders = nazi.

Taking HN into ideological flamewar like this will get you banned on HN. Please don't do it again.

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by tscs37 »

gant wrote: post #41
deltateam wrote: post #37

Payments with Monero use would have solved and prevented the donor data from being leaked. I'm still a little distressed at how few web-anything providers accept Monero. Privacy focused email services and cloud service providers should be using it but what we really have is protonmail only accepting credit cards and nobody seems to see the irony in that. occassionally in the past I have found email and cloud service…

As always with great (/s) solutions proposed on HN, it's neither simple, nor are there any great incentives for providers or is there consumer demand. The average protonmail user doesn't care and/or know why using a credit card could be a problem.

I'm using protonmail via CC, don't see the problem tbh.

Security and privacy aren't binary options, it's a multi-dimensional spectrum where the optimal point depends on your threat model, budget and other factors. For me, it's not relevant if the police finds out if I use protonmail.

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by tscs37 »

leke wrote: post #2

> They are not accused of a crime but considered to be witnesses in a case... Wow, so the witnesses are treated like criminals now.

Witnesses can be raided under german law, there are some reasons for it, esp. when it's suspected the witness is hiding evidence.

However, the raid is still out of bounds in certain other aspects (though I suspect the "take everything" the police pulled is more related to the officers having no idea what a server is vs a desktop computer. It wouldn't be the first time police officers simply don't know so they take it all)

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by eucitizen1 »

1337biz wrote: post #28
xashor wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mixed it up, the bavarian police isn't fighting off/investigating AfD. Zwiebelfreunde (Friends of Onion) forwarded donations (!) from Germany into the US based RiseUp. Latter hosts a website calling for protests against the far right AfD.

So they were most likely funneling money through international channels to support ANTIFA activists? If they were doing the same for the other side - i.e. funneling right wing money to support NAZI activist it would be the same kind of stupid. If you don't want to get your servers to be raided just don't side-hustle as an extremist shaddow financier.

Just so you know: In Germany, Antifa is an umbrella term for a lot of left wing projects which try to build social structures for (mostly) peaceful reform. People like me - being antifascist - have been active in the political landscape for more than forty years. Mobilizing against neonazis works and has been pretty damn necessary in Eastern Germany since the collapse of the GDR.

Unfortunately in the US, activists have been labeled as terrorists even though their organizing works as intended [1] - without fatalities.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/03/12/alt-right-lea...

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by detaro »

tedunangst wrote: post #53
xashor wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zwiebelfreunde is an organization associated with the CCC that do Tor related stuff. They collect donations for RiseUp, an US based mail/web/… hoster. One site RiseUp hosts calls for action against a far right political party. Next to various info, it has instructions on how to build color bombs and other solely property damage stuff. This was enough justification for the bavarian police to raid Zwiebelfreunde and va…

> To illustrate how overreaching the police was: When the Zwiebelfreunde's hacker space was raided they found this 3d printed model of a bomb[0], which of course is just a plastic toy. However, they accused the people in hacker space of planning a bombing, so they could seize more stuff. Not saying they did have plans for a bombing, but if I were planning one, I would have a few toy bombs around to practice with. Def…

And you'd have that "toy bomb" look like a downscaled version of a air-dropped bomb from ww2, seriously? If it is only roughly the size, just use a soda can or something like that?

Re: Police raid at Zwiebelfreunde: Donor data compromised

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Post by 1337biz »

eucitizen1 wrote: post #67
1337biz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they were most likely funneling money through international channels to support ANTIFA activists? If they were doing the same for the other side - i.e. funneling right wing money to support NAZI activist it would be the same kind of stupid. If you don't want to get your servers to be raided just don't side-hustle as an extremist shaddow financier.

Just so you know: In Germany, Antifa is an umbrella term for a lot of left wing projects which try to build social structures for (mostly) peaceful reform. People like me - being antifascist - have been active in the political landscape for more than forty years. Mobilizing against neonazis works and has been pretty damn necessary in Eastern Germany since the collapse of the GDR. Unfortunately in the US, activists ha…

We all remember what peaceful Antifa reform looks like from the Hamburg G20 pictures.
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