Here's some context on the authors: https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1015682328411230208
Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy
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#62I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…
That's not a thing.
http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and-candy-...
(From one of the co-authors of this article)
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#63Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.
This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
Your turn. Please do try to disprove the law of conservation of energy.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
Calories-in-Calories-out is a straight-up fact. The thing 'scientists' don't like about it is that even if you lose the same amount of weight, where you got your calories from will impact your health differently depending on whether it's a chocolate bar or an apple. Nevertheless, Calories-in-Calories-out is a true model.
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#65I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…
And I bet your kids don't exhibit signs of ADD, people probably wonder what magical app you found that makes your kids well behaved while theirs drinks 2 gallons of juice a day and are climbing the walls
http://www.yalescientific.org/2010/09/mythbusters-does-sugar...
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#66Next, let's dispel the notion that fat is bad for you. It's the strangest thing to me to see parents feeding their kids "skim milk", which is really just milk flavored water, because whole milk "has fat" and therefore must make their children fat. I only drank whole milk as a kid. A glass with every meal. My parents never bought any juice or soda and me and all of my siblings grew up healthy and strong with no caviti…
That's simply not true about skim milk. It has just as much protein and calcium as whole milk. Maybe you and your siblings would have been even healthier with skim, maybe not, but it's not possible to deduce anything from your experience.
The article talks about this, but the reason it's so easy to binge on snack foods like juice is because they don't make you feel full and so you continue eating. Similarly, you'll feel much fuller if you drink whole milk versus skim milk, which is great for children who can't control impulses very well.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.
Go eat 5000 calories a day of veggies without becoming obese then. Just because calories isn't the only important factor in obesity does not mean its not a factor at all. Scientists are simply building a more sophisticated understanding of obesity that looks at many other factors.
Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy
#68Next, let's dispel the notion that fat is bad for you. It's the strangest thing to me to see parents feeding their kids "skim milk", which is really just milk flavored water, because whole milk "has fat" and therefore must make their children fat. I only drank whole milk as a kid. A glass with every meal. My parents never bought any juice or soda and me and all of my siblings grew up healthy and strong with no caviti…
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your last note about kids being wired on sugar, while pervasive and seemingly anecdotally supported, has not been proven out in the literature. Sugar has not been conclusively found to cause hyperactivity.
My son goes nuts when he has sugar (like ice cream or a cupcake), full stop. Has it not been shown in the literature because no one has tried an appropriately rigorous experiment, or because the appropriately rigorous experiment showed a different conclusion?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your last note about kids being wired on sugar, while pervasive and seemingly anecdotally supported, has not been proven out in the literature. Sugar has not been conclusively found to cause hyperactivity.
Ignoring the lunacy of wasting decades of training to prove (I hope, to everyone) the blindingly obvious, this would potentially be a real fun experiment to design.