Board clearly wanted him out anyways. Probably because he let AMD catch up so much.
Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
At most companies it basically means that a manager should not have a romantic relationship with anyone in their chain of command. In the case of a CEO this would extend to the entire company. I know it sounds punitive, but it’s really a question of fairness to every other employee working for that manager — nothing improper needs to be done by either party for it to negatively impact the other employees. It also dis…
It also deters blackmail from other parties, if the relationship is not public.
Eh, I would say it invites just as much blackmail as it deters. Those policies add more negative consequences to the relationship being exposed — if there’s a chance you could lose your job because of a non-fraternization policy, you’ll be more motivated to pay the blackmail and keep everything under wraps.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem wasn't that she was a coworker. It was that she was a subordinate. Nobody cares if two engineers hook up, but it's a Very Bad Thing if your boss starts putting the moves on you. Relationships where one person holds real-world power over another are prone to exploitation and violation of consent.
It's a good thing if you are attracted to the boss. How do we know that the happiness such consensual relationships bring to employees does not outweigh the unhappiness of potential sexual harassment, averaged over all workers?
Then one or both of them can quit their job, or get moved somewhere where neither reports to the other.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#64There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?
Not sure if he just got fired for a relationship or if there's something more. But your remark about the "moralising" of US companies has also been my experience. I worked in a Europe-based office for a US-owned multinational company. Alcohol was strictly forbidden. (Needless to say, the fridge was filled regardless and late Friday afternoon, people would have a beer and fraternize.)
Opposite situation for me....I work for a Swiss company in a US office. They all think we are crazy for not allowing Glühwein at our Christmas....errr.....Winter party.
And there's no such thing as Friday afternoon beers in the fridge.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#65So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."
So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, In what sense is this obvious? And according to which substantial notion of power?
Yeah I never understood this either. Does that mean a bachelor US president can't date a US citizen?
Yes, power can be abused. But anyone with a knife at home can abuse that knife by stabbing someone. That doesn't make it wrong to own a knife.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
>No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work You really don't think so? I'm no CEO but I imagine carrying a gun around would at least warrant some public criticism, particularly for a tech CEO in the San Francisco Bay Area.
In areas of the country where some material number of people do carry firearms (e.g. Texas), it's not uncommon to have explicit signs on company buildings that forbid firearms. I imagine that's pretty common policy at many if not most companies.
Though unless they have metal detectors, it's a bit like requiring your employees to wear briefs.
If you can tell they're not doing what you say, they're not doing it right.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#67Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had a boss/subordinate relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S? Conjecture: Zero. Does that say anything interesting about humans?
Most of us are probably have an ancestor that was born due to rape after tribe/army X beat tribe/army Y, so yeah, zero. Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it's probably not as clever as you hope it is.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#68So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."
The problem wasn't that she was a coworker. It was that she was a subordinate. Nobody cares if two engineers hook up, but it's a Very Bad Thing if your boss starts putting the moves on you. Relationships where one person holds real-world power over another are prone to exploitation and violation of consent.
> it's a Very Bad Thing
It's happened probably 10s of thousands of times in the past few decades... and some of those couples are now happily married. I personally know of a boss who married his secretary and a professor who married a student.
I think the words "Very Bad Thing" are a little excessive. It's risky behavior.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#69Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had a boss/subordinate relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S? Conjecture: Zero. Does that say anything interesting about humans?
Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had an abusive relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S? Conjecture: Zero. Does that say anything interesting about humans?
This is a very good reply, and it can be used to refine the analysis, and bring out the difference between both:
- abusive relationship was typically considered problematic by at least one participant even at the time.
- Boss / subordinate relationship was typically not considered problematic by both participants at the time.
Classic examples doctor/nurse, pilot/stewardess, professor/PhD student, lawyer/secretary. I could introduce you to several such couplings among my acquintances, and relatives.
Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee
#70So my question is: Was the female employee also fired? If not, why not?
Nit: based on the article (as of 10a est), we don’t actually know if the subordinate was female :)