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Re: Announcing Flutter Release Preview 1

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Post by mixedCase »

eksemplar wrote: post #42
mixedCase wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>is more suited for enterprise development than both typescript and JavaScript. What makes you think this given the library and tooling situation? Is this strictly a "worse is better" thing where lacking modern language features is a plus (at which point I'd argue for Java) or is there a Dart feature that makes you think it's actually an improvement over TypeScript, Kotlin, .NET Core (both C# and F#) or Rust (just to…

I think you misunderstood me. I don’t think it’s an improvement over c# (or Kotlin, but I have no experience with Kotlin so I wasn’t commenting on that). I think it’s an improvement over JavaScript, Typescript and the Xamarin experience + tooling, with the added advantage of letting you share language in your clients. I don’t think dart is great though, it’s just better than the terrible alternatives.

>I think it’s an improvement over [...]Typescript

JS I understand, but what makes you prefer Dart over TypeScript in this case?

Re: Announcing Flutter Release Preview 1

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Post by mraleph »

pjmlp wrote: post #62

Just noticed that https://flutterstudio.app/ only works properly on Chrome, what a surprise.

Works just fine in Safari and Firefox Nightly for me. Consider reporting your browser configuration to the author? [1]

[also notice that it is in no way affiliated with Flutter and done by somebody in the community]

[1] I can't find any way to contact the author, but here is his blog post about the Studio https://medium.com/@pmutisya/flutter-studio-version-2-41cce1...

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Post by bsaul »

munificent wrote: post #24
greenhouse_gas wrote: post #5

Unfortunately, I kind of feel torn: On one hand, I love flutter as a concept[1]. It removes a lot of the baroque from mobile development (no need for the whole RecyclerViewer construction for every list! No Fragments! Doesn't require Android Studio to start working!) but I hate the language (dart). After using Kotlin (let alone Rust), It feels like moving back to Java (no non-nullable types) and in some ways it's act…

I'm on the Dart team (though I wouldn't necessarily take my comment to be an official statement of the entire team). > (no non-nullable types) I really wanted [1] to get those into Dart 1 (way back before Swift and TypeScript even existed), but I couldn't convince language team at the time that it was worthwhile. When we moved to a stricter, sound type system with strong mode, we hoped to get non-nullable types into…

not sure what's dart like relative to enums, but enum with associated type + optionnals are the absolute killer feature for swift. Steal those and you'll have nothing to worry about.

Re: Announcing Flutter Release Preview 1

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Post by skybrian »

realusername wrote: post #63
pjmlp wrote: post #62

Just noticed that https://flutterstudio.app/ only works properly on Chrome, what a surprise.

A classic Google again... I hope they fix that, I'm not going to open up Chrome just for this.

It's not Google, actually; this IDE is from a third-party developer.

Re: Announcing Flutter Release Preview 1

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Post by pjmlp »

mraleph wrote: post #65
pjmlp wrote: post #62

Just noticed that https://flutterstudio.app/ only works properly on Chrome, what a surprise.

Works just fine in Safari and Firefox Nightly for me. Consider reporting your browser configuration to the author? [1] [also notice that it is in no way affiliated with Flutter and done by somebody in the community] [1] I can't find any way to contact the author, but here is his blog post about the Studio https://medium.com/@pmutisya/flutter-studio-version-2-41cce1...

I tried, but won't bother with Medium subscription just to post a comment there.

Doesn't work on Edge or FF stable.

Re: Announcing Flutter Release Preview 1

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Post by fal4 »

Dart's interesting enough if I can actually use it for both Fuchsia and Web [1], but I find the following statement misleading: "Dart’s type system, like the type systems in Java and C#, is sound [2]." Java's type system is not sound [3], nor is C Octothorp's [4]. What gives?

[1] Though what happened with Chrome is a shame: https://news.dartlang.org/2015/03/dart-for-entire-web.html

[2] https://www.dartlang.org/guides/language/sound-dart#what-is-...

[3] https://dev.to/rosstate/java-is-unsound-the-industry-perspec...

[4] https://stackoverflow.com/a/23968075/775282

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