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Mindfulness Meditation Impairs Task Motivation but Not Performance [pdf]

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Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I just don't see how spiritual awakening suddenly makes a person working 9-5 in a cubicle more happy. For all it is, it probably makes him wonder if living in a forest outside civilization is actually a way more reasonable choice.

Contentment is a state of mind.

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I just don't see how spiritual awakening suddenly makes a person working 9-5 in a cubicle more happy. For all it is, it probably makes him wonder if living in a forest outside civilization is actually a way more reasonable choice.

Contentment is a state of mind.

Still it's easier and more pleasant to maintain that state of mind not sitting inside a cubicle with a boss yelling at you to work harder.

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My experience is that concentration directed meditation is more like a tool. You can use concentrative skills to advance towards direction you want in the life. You are in control. If you do awareness oriented practice long enough, it starts to work on you. You are on the ride 'to the unknown'. Motivations change and unless you make nessesary changes in your life, you lose motivation and have life chrisis. Usual solu…

>Many people have romantic notion of transcendence and enlightement, but when meditation starts to really work they realize that's not what they actually want. Change is scary. Interesting. Would you care to share an example of this?

I see it like being aware of impulse timings in you, for example, I now and then feel the waves of both happiness and sadness, when they come and leave and I understand it's temporary, I realize the mood it leaves and that it will end and as I'm focusing on the effect of it on the body I don't quite take so much place on happiness/depression, more like observe and let it be. This state of acceptance is strange for me when it comes to searching for success/praise at work, it is stranger when remembering new/better job/car/app/travel is needed and it's strangest when searching for a significant other.

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Meditation, in ancient and present India, is a tool for spiritual development, contemplation on the true nature of self and an aide to allow for detachment from worldly matters. Its not meant to be a method to calm down workers so that they will produce more profit for a corporation.

I wish more people talked about this

Have you checked out https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMindIlluminated/ ? There seen to be more online and physical meetups now (compared to even five years ago) that are attended by people who view practice with awakening and spiritual development as goals.

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Correct, but if the goal is to make workers more productive, motivated, etc, then meditation may not be the right tool to use. There are other, more effective methods.

Maybe the goul is to make them happier.

If this is a portmanteau of ghoul and goal you did a very good job.

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I wish more people talked about this

Have you checked out https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMindIlluminated/ ? There seen to be more online and physical meetups now (compared to even five years ago) that are attended by people who view practice with awakening and spiritual development as goals.

Not really. I think I am an SBNR investigating Christianity mostly at this point. But, for example, someone told me I should recite the Jesus prayer at work to boost my productivity, I'd probably think there was something wrong with him (even if in some sense it might be beneficial)

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I used to wonder why Buddhist monks seemed to do so little productive work despite all the productivity their meditation was supposed to bring. Why aren't they generating awesome works of science or philosophy or literature or something with all that clear-headedness? This might explain it.

This is the best post in this thread.

Besides the one saying there is absolutely no clear path on how to meditate or what its actually supposed to achieve, despite generic mumbojumbo.

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Meditation, in ancient and present India, is a tool for spiritual development, contemplation on the true nature of self and an aide to allow for detachment from worldly matters. Its not meant to be a method to calm down workers so that they will produce more profit for a corporation.

I hate this trend where things that exist to help us grow as humans (meditation, arts and humanities, exercise) are repurposed by corporate HR to make us into better (i.e., more efficient) workers.

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Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I just don't see how spiritual awakening suddenly makes a person working 9-5 in a cubicle more happy. For all it is, it probably makes him wonder if living in a forest outside civilization is actually a way more reasonable choice.

Exactly - spiritual awakening might do just the opposite of making someone a contented worker.

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Meditation, in ancient and present India, is a tool for spiritual development, contemplation on the true nature of self and an aide to allow for detachment from worldly matters. Its not meant to be a method to calm down workers so that they will produce more profit for a corporation.

I hate this trend where things that exist to help us grow as humans (meditation, arts and humanities, exercise) are repurposed by corporate HR to make us into better (i.e., more efficient) workers.

IMO - Any corporate policy or program aimed at changing employees themselves, rather than the work environment and corporate ethos is doomed to failure. I'm all for incentives, but what you really want are engaged employees in the right seat.

That takes a lot of work on the part of management. If your employees know what's expected of them, have the right tools, have a job that fits their skills, knows their employer cares for them and is invested in their professional development, THAT is what makes productive employees. You won't get that from retreats, meditation programs, etc. As a manager, you get this by changing yourself, not those you manage.

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