By enforcing racial quotas, Harvard and other institutions are actively cementing race as an important factor in our society, as if it's something we should care about. As such, they are not helping society to become post-racial - as must be our goal - but instead are forcing a racialized view of the world down our collective throats. While well intentioned, racial quotas are a regressive policy and history will look…
Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
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Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#62Why is race even a factor? Our society is moving backwards in regard to unification. If we stop using race or nationality as a factor for anything, we can get more fair results - as long as the selection process is thought out enough to not explicitly favor races over one another based on irrelevant factors. It seems like more than ever people are identifying themselves by race, and diversity is celebrated so granula…
This has been endlessly discussed to death. It is a factor because it is a factor in society(common eg: black names not getting callback for an interview). It is a factor because social inertia exists. Ignoring it and putting your head in the sand is not moving forward, places like harvard to want to take corrective measures to offset the inertia. Yes we would like to live in a race blind society but it cannot happen overnight.
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Edit - Could I ask why I was downvoted? I'd like to know where I went wrong here. Forgive the question, but that is a general statement to a specific case, and I am having trouble seeing the clear path between your statement and the article. Can you elaborate? Are you taking the position that any and all attempts to shape admissions into universities based on race are misguided and regressive? The specific case here…
I read an academic paper yesterday that read exactly like you. It's crazy hard to parse the words without my eyes glazing over. I fear universities try to teach students to sound clever and intellectual, not clear and comprehensible. I just had to vent because I have to slog through a large number of academic papers over the next few weeks and if they're all like this, I might weep from agony. Besides that, parsing y…
The way I wrote that is because on issues like this, people get quite charged one way or another, so I wanted to avoid anything personal and just hear the specifics. I'm definitely putting myself into the deep end on this stuff, so I want to hear more on the arguments from both sides - and also the specifics on this case because a lot of it slides past my understanding, and I'd like to know how off base I might be (or not be).
I'm kind of sad I'm getting downvoted, and not really told why - I can't halt my opinions if I don't know why they're so against the grain (or against rules or something).
What is the parent's point that I missed?
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> By enforcing racial quotas, Harvard and other institutions are actively cementing race as an important factor in our society That's not really accurate. If you look at the Coleman report, the main study that was done in the run up to school desegregation and forced busing, it showed a bunch of negative impacts to changing the racial balance of institutions too quickly. That research was largely ignored, which in pa…
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White students (the vast majority) targeted the black students, who then formed gangs to protect themselves. There is a good multi-decade ethnography of the effects of various changes in public policy and society on one particular high school here: https://www.amazon.com/World-We-Created-Hamilton-High/dp/067...
The high school is anonymized, but iirc it's somewhere in Syracuse, NY.
Note that (at least afaik) that's not directly where our modern national-scale gangs come from, although White flight and the collapse of cities surely did contribute there also.
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#65By enforcing racial quotas, Harvard and other institutions are actively cementing race as an important factor in our society, as if it's something we should care about. As such, they are not helping society to become post-racial - as must be our goal - but instead are forcing a racialized view of the world down our collective throats. While well intentioned, racial quotas are a regressive policy and history will look…
Race blindness isn’t the end goal, the goal is racial equality. Today, black people on average make 1/3 less income than white people. Because we must assume black people are intrinsically just as capable as white people, the goal must be to drive that disparity to zero. With that in mind, it makes no sense from a scientific/engineering perspective to ignore race. No scientist or engineer looks at a situation, sees a…
Says you. The whole concept of race is an aritifical construction, a barbaric vestige of the past that should be rightfully recognized for what it is, and cast off.
>Today, black people on average make 1/3 less income than white people. Even if society were totally race blind, some of that disparity would remain—it would be the legacy of when society wasn’t race blind. You can’t fix that injustice by ignoring race.
Of course you can. The issue is economic equality, not race. In your paradigm, just making a whole bunch of white people a lot poorer would be a fine solution, as there would be no economic disparity between "races". We need to strive towards a society where everyone has economic security and prosperity regardless of the tone of their skin or any historical prejudices their ancestors may have suffered at any time.
>I think history will remember “race blindness” with derision.
I think history will remember those who clung to the barbaric vestiges of the past with derision and as an impediment to social progess. We need a society that aims to lift all people out of poverty and powerlessness, not just the ones whose ancestors were discriminated against. Clinging to the injustices of the past and codifying racial polarization into law is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing to evolve as a society.
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#66By enforcing racial quotas, Harvard and other institutions are actively cementing race as an important factor in our society, as if it's something we should care about. As such, they are not helping society to become post-racial - as must be our goal - but instead are forcing a racialized view of the world down our collective throats. While well intentioned, racial quotas are a regressive policy and history will look…
Race blindness isn’t the end goal, the goal is racial equality. Today, black people on average make 1/3 less income than white people. Because we must assume black people are intrinsically just as capable as white people, the goal must be to drive that disparity to zero. With that in mind, it makes no sense from a scientific/engineering perspective to ignore race. No scientist or engineer looks at a situation, sees a…
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#67An anecdote about the evolving value of higher education: I received a resume recently for a junior software engineer role. Under the 'Education' section was a paragraph that listed a prestigious university and entrance year, but under it stated something like, "I was accepted to this university, but rather than attend and go over $100,000 in debt, I taught myself computer science and coding for 3 years with online t…
This might be possible for probably computer science education, if you want to be a lawyer, banker, architect college education is MUST
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#68An anecdote about the evolving value of higher education: I received a resume recently for a junior software engineer role. Under the 'Education' section was a paragraph that listed a prestigious university and entrance year, but under it stated something like, "I was accepted to this university, but rather than attend and go over $100,000 in debt, I taught myself computer science and coding for 3 years with online t…
This might be possible for probably computer science education, if you want to be a lawyer, banker, architect college education is MUST
Re: Harvard discrimination lawsuit: data show penalization of Asian-Americans
#69Why is race even a factor? Our society is moving backwards in regard to unification. If we stop using race or nationality as a factor for anything, we can get more fair results - as long as the selection process is thought out enough to not explicitly favor races over one another based on irrelevant factors. It seems like more than ever people are identifying themselves by race, and diversity is celebrated so granula…
> Why is race even a factor? This has been endlessly discussed to death. It is a factor because it is a factor in society(common eg: black names not getting callback for an interview). It is a factor because social inertia exists. Ignoring it and putting your head in the sand is not moving forward, places like harvard to want to take corrective measures to offset the inertia. Yes we would like to live in a race blind…