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Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm »

bugsy wrote: post #52
jacquesm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to pull Patricks religion in to this at all, that was just about the one thing missing in the original post.

Oh, the original post did get into some stuff about his possibly being Catholic and suffering from guilt. When I read that in the article I did cringe and thought it was a stretch and detracted from the article. I am not saying the article is the best possible article or was free from cringe inducing statements. But I also don't see it as something someone should be banned for, not even remotely close. It sounded mor…

Patrick has made absolutely no secret of his religion so there is no need to speculate.

He regularly refers to 'his priest' in his comments here.

For instance: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1428539

But I really don't see the need to further the 'psychoanalysis for the absolute beginner' based on the common 'guilt of the Irish', please.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by chrischen »

sprout wrote: post #40
switch wrote: post #34

Don't understand this. The guy's telling the Bingo Card Creator guy he should be making more money. Which is absolutely true because he has the skillset to make millions a year. How is this bad in any way - it's not. It's not psychoanalysis. It's just a guy saying - Dude, You should be making a lot more money with your skillset. Option 1:Let your ego get in the way and stay at under $60K a year. Option 2: Learn from…

Some of us are women. But I don't see why that requires we be polite.

Everyone should be polite, but I don't see why we become women when we do.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm »

steveklabnik wrote: post #47
jacquesm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to pull Patricks religion in to this at all, that was just about the one thing missing in the original post.

The original post specifically mentioned Catholicism: > At the risk of upsetting people, I’m going to go out on a limb here – were you raised Catholic? Etc.

I missed that on reading the original the first time around, you're right. But Patrick is pretty up-front about his religion.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by rwhitman »

10ren wrote: post #59
lionhearted wrote: post #12

Easily the most controversial thing I've ever written, but I'll stand up and be accounted for in my errors. I write once daily, every day, and I write honestly. Here, the mistake I made was not filtering my thought by another person who could feel ill because of it. I will explain my line of thinking, which does not excuse the large gaffe I made, but perhaps so people can understand my thinking. I've met a book edito…

Lionhearted, it has struck me how often you live up to your name; but on that one isolated occasion, you shamed it. I was thinking it would be hard for you to make amends. Removing the submission from HN is an excellent start, but it's still on your blog: http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/?p=251 I don't think Patrick should have to do or say a single thing in order for you do the right thing. If he asks you to restore…

Agreed. The fact that its still up there, unedited, gathering link juice, says a lot about the motivations of the author.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm »

sprout wrote: post #38
kyro wrote: post #15

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I almost did up until this submission. Flagged, in any case.

While I agree that the post was inappropriate, I don't agree that the post was inappropriate by HN's standards. (And I think flagging based on personal standards rather than HN's standards is not the way to go.)

HN standards are the combined standards of all participants, if we had objective criteria for voting and flagging we wouldn't need those user interface components on all those pages, just a few would suffice.

Everybody gets to apply their personal criteria moulded to whatever they think is best for HN, with the guidelines at the back of your mind.

So, what I think is 'appropriate' for HN may be quite different from what you think is 'appropriate', if the moderator(s) agree what you flagged will be removed if not tough luck, maybe better next time.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm »

10ren wrote: post #59
lionhearted wrote: post #12

Easily the most controversial thing I've ever written, but I'll stand up and be accounted for in my errors. I write once daily, every day, and I write honestly. Here, the mistake I made was not filtering my thought by another person who could feel ill because of it. I will explain my line of thinking, which does not excuse the large gaffe I made, but perhaps so people can understand my thinking. I've met a book edito…

Lionhearted, it has struck me how often you live up to your name; but on that one isolated occasion, you shamed it. I was thinking it would be hard for you to make amends. Removing the submission from HN is an excellent start, but it's still on your blog: http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/?p=251 I don't think Patrick should have to do or say a single thing in order for you do the right thing. If he asks you to restore…

I fully agree with that, leaving it up only compounds the chances of damage and further indicates that this never really was about helping Patrick since it must be obvious by now that that is not the effect.

It's like those open letters that are almost never intended for the addressee.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm »

sbierwagen wrote: post #41
lionhearted wrote: post #12

Easily the most controversial thing I've ever written, but I'll stand up and be accounted for in my errors. I write once daily, every day, and I write honestly. Here, the mistake I made was not filtering my thought by another person who could feel ill because of it. I will explain my line of thinking, which does not excuse the large gaffe I made, but perhaps so people can understand my thinking. I've met a book edito…

I read the post. Thought it was pretty good. Don't see what the fuss is about. Compared to similar things I've said about people presenting public personas that were equally, if more, flawed; this was about as "hateful" as a kitten batting a bunny on the nose.

If there is such a thing as 'damning with lots of praise' then then was it.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by jacquesm »

mquander wrote: post #48
jacquesm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to pull Patricks religion in to this at all, that was just about the one thing missing in the original post.

No, it wasn't missing. The blog post literally suggested that the reason he isn't rich and powerful might be because he has Catholic guilt. I swear to God it said that.

Yes, you're right, I'm sorry I missed that.

Re: I am not who you think I am

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Post by eitally »

bugsy wrote: post #26
Herring wrote: post #18

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>But, more importantly, patio11 is not who we think he is, and I am not who you think I am. I received a phone call from someone claiming to be both patio11 & jgrahamc. I must say I found it very puzzling.

The really puzzling part was that... the calls came from inside the house.

But who was phone?!?
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