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Japan Fights Crowds of Crows (2008)

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Re: Japan Fights Crowds of Crows (2008)

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Golf is a frustrating game. I can easily see ordering the murder of all birds in Tokyo if a Crow messed up my birdie.

I've never played golf, so I can't say. I was more commenting on an example of a politician acting only when he's experiencing the problem first-hand.

Hardly an uncommon phenomenon, I must say.

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>>> The crow explosion has created a moral quandary for Japan, a nation that prides itself on nonviolence and harmony with nature, because culling programs are the only truly effective method of population control. No. Culling something like city crows is insanely difficult without resorting to poisons, a very dangerous option in a city. Crows are a problem all over the planet. Get some hawks, or whatever species of…

The idea that the Japanese are uniquely in harmony with nature is questionable too, when you think about their love of covering every square inch of places in concrete and asphalt.

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I'd suggest that non-lethal intimidation wouldn't necessarily work on crows. Crows routinely mob other threat birds (e.g. buzzards, in my experience) and even a single crow will chase a buzzard off. Firing bullets or similar from a drone might not be a good idea in a crowded urban environment (damage to people and / or property). Drones deploying nets to catch them (or at least make them fall out of the sky)? Perhaps…

Could drones be used to fire nets at the birds? The birds could be encapsulated so they can't fly away and then either left to starve to death or be picked up for execution later.

Surely it can't be easy to design a reliable system for storing, firing and reloading the nets? How about designing an extra sticky type of silly string? It could be prayed on the crows until they are unable to fly. All in the form of an aerosol can.

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Around here it's Pigeons, but they seem to occupy the same niche as these Crows. Part of the problem is that not only are they good scavengers, but some people actively feed them causing not only a huge mess (piles of rotting bread dumped on the pavements), but it encourages the birds to congregate and multiply.

Pigeons aren't even native to North America, but they're so well suited to urban environments it's doubtful they're going anywhere.

A week or two ago I guess it was mating season because I saw a bunch of them doing courtship dances.

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I live in Tokyo, and and if I become a billionaire, the second thing I will do (after starting a thrash metal guitar university for girls) will be to commission a Planet Earth II level documentary about the crows here. They are fucking HUGE, they own the city (especially on trash-collection days), and they can go really high. When I moved back here I stayed a few weeks in a hotel on the 53rd floor. There were no pige…

You might be interested in a film called “Tokyo Waka”. The filmmakers call it a visual poem but it’s essentially a glimpse of Tokyo through people’s experience with the crowd.

Oops, crowd -> crows. It's about the crows.

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We have lots of crows here in Norway where I live but not the problem that Japan has. I suspect that part of the reason is that we do not leave rubbish in plastic bags on the street. Food waste goes into a solid plastic wheelie bin with a substantial lid.

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Lasers. Might incapacitate, kill, or blind crows, would need to avoid collateral damage. Maybe with remote human intervention on the kill switch, one person per bank of 50 drones. Nathan Myhrvold supposedly displayed a mosquito-killing laser photonic fence some years ago [1]. A laser to deal with crows would need to be much more powerful. [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/3059127/what-happened-to-the-mos...

Firing drone-lasers powerful enough to burn or blind might not be a good idea, especially where beams could bounce off reflective surfaces. A ground-based laser would pack a lot more power.

I know of some towns in upstate NY that employ "crow hazing" techniques to harass and eventually drive away large flocks. Typically these groups tend to use nonlethal (and as non physically damaging as possible) methods like air rifles and lasers, and sometimes just bright lights.

http://www.wwnytv.com/story/37317955/crow-hazing-in-watertow...

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We have lots of crows here in Norway where I live but not the problem that Japan has. I suspect that part of the reason is that we do not leave rubbish in plastic bags on the street. Food waste goes into a solid plastic wheelie bin with a substantial lid.

> solid plastic wheelie

The local squirrels drill right through that "solid plastic" in moments to get at the goodies inside. I put my garbage in an old fashioned galvanized can, and transfer it to the company toter only on pickup day.

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I live in Tokyo, and and if I become a billionaire, the second thing I will do (after starting a thrash metal guitar university for girls) will be to commission a Planet Earth II level documentary about the crows here. They are fucking HUGE, they own the city (especially on trash-collection days), and they can go really high. When I moved back here I stayed a few weeks in a hotel on the 53rd floor. There were no pige…

When I was a kid I went on a vacation with my family to a cabin by a lake. A man living in nearby had a pet crow. The crow would get cosy around our dining table outside trying to grab some food, so my mother chased it away once. After that for the next 2 weeks we stayed there whenever my mother would hang laundry to dry outside the crow would fly over and take a shit on my mother's clothes. There were 5 people in the family, but the crow would somehow always pick my mother's clothes. It was fascinating for me, that the bird was as intelligent as it was vengeful. This is a true story.

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I live in Tokyo, and and if I become a billionaire, the second thing I will do (after starting a thrash metal guitar university for girls) will be to commission a Planet Earth II level documentary about the crows here. They are fucking HUGE, they own the city (especially on trash-collection days), and they can go really high. When I moved back here I stayed a few weeks in a hotel on the 53rd floor. There were no pige…

When I was a kid I went on a vacation with my family to a cabin by a lake. A man living in nearby had a pet crow. The crow would get cosy around our dining table outside trying to grab some food, so my mother chased it away once. After that for the next 2 weeks we stayed there whenever my mother would hang laundry to dry outside the crow would fly over and take a shit on my mother's clothes. There were 5 people in th…

Corvidae are smart, and seem to have good memory.

I've heard that a good way to keep them away is to kill one, and hang up the corpse on display. Others will stay away.

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