Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by akerl_ » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:18 PM UTC

cygned wrote: post #45

akerl_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting (and not super obvious because of their marketing) that "getting a subscription" and "using their cloud sync" are not a mutual requirement. You can pay via subscription and continue using local/Dropbox/etc vaults. This part was super confusing to me until I dug deeper when a friend upgraded. So the primary impact of switching from standalone license to subscription, if you're planning on using 1Pass…

Thanks for pointing that out, that was, indeed, not clear to me either. But I expect this will change at some point, for the sake of simplicity for end users. Giving up security for convenience.

I doubt that, personally, because of exactly the reasons you and others are noting in this thread.

Especially in a world where they successfully convince everybody to pay a monthly subscription, the effect of losing every user who wants local vaults would be an immediate visible blow to their revenue stream.

Their goal in moving to subscription services seems less driven by simplicity and more with making that revenue stream more predictable. But whoever runs the marketing side of the house decided the best way to pitch the change was by saying how great the cloud hosting was, and looking around at these comments I hope they realize their error.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by toyg » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:22 PM UTC

spv wrote: post #5

I have been using Bitwarden for some time now. It’s an open source password manager. There are apps for all major platforms and extensions to all major browsers. Checkout https://bitwarden.com/

I've been an early adopter and really they are coming in leaps and bounds. The only complaint I have is that integration with iOS apps is very very spotty, but I believe that's an issue with Apple muscling 3rd-parties away from that field (and to a certain degree, an issue with developers not following best practices in their apps).

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by mitchty » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:22 PM UTC

xxkylexx wrote: post #19

mitchty wrote: post #12

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Boo, I was looking for something that had a cli and integrated with every browser as well as had an ios app. I've not looked again recently but lastpass is the only thing I've found that fits those bills.

- https://github.com/bitwarden/browser - https://github.com/bitwarden/cli

I saw all that but it looks like you've got to pay a monthly fee for full access for their cloud storage. Not sure its worth the hassle of migrating to in this case.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by dingo_bat » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:23 PM UTC

senthilnayagam wrote: post #36

I did not pay for a subscription software, I bought a password manager which stored password locally. I also don't want to pay for a upgrade just because apple upgraded the OS. I now only buy mac software on Mac App Store. Apps which I have not renewed include 1password, screenflow, textmate, vmware Fusion, Paid Products I wish were on Mac App Store with free updates. Sublime, Paragon NTFS , printopia

So you want perpetual free updates? I think your expectations might be a tad unrealistic.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by chiefalchemist » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:23 PM UTC

tadasv wrote: post #9

rcarmo wrote: post #3

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Still, this is a trend I will have nothing to do with if at all possible. And besides subscriptions, version 7 will only sync using their back-end, which is not acceptable for me. On one hand, password managers in browsers are becoming nearly good enough to cover for 80% of my use cases, and most of the other 20% boil down to convenience (ease of pasting, updating, etc.) I don't like the idea of being forced to move…

What alternatives do you have in mind? I was thinking the same, but haven't done much research yet. I definitely want to have more control over my passwords.

I'm not sure what your criteria are but I've been using LastPass (Enterprise) with 2FA (Yubikey) for a couple years now. Aside from the Yubikey, the key benefit is I can share a folder with someone using the free version.

It's not cheap but it works and afaik it's secure (esp with the Yubi).

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by xoa » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

I at least partly blame Apple and the MAS being such piece of shit for accelerating some of the sub trends we're seeing on the Mac now. It's really such a genuine shame, because in principle the MAS really could be an excellent idea, a way to unify and simplify a pain point of Mac use and boost security at a few levels without a need to alienate anyone or not support anything. Instead Apple had to make it an artificially pointlessly limited collection of tradeoffs and mediocrity.

In particular AgileBits is right about the missing upgrade pricing system really being a bummer. To this day Apple's decision to remove that remains one of the most perplexing decisions of anything they did with the MAS (or iOS App Store for that matter). The basic idea of paying just for marginal value added since original purchase whereas new purchasers are paying for the whole package from zero is an efficient, sensible and sustainable one that has supported the software industry well since the very beginning. Ongoing support of software costs money, particularly when Apple has made it another principle of theirs to be aggressive about pushing the platform forward vs backwards compatibility. No upgrades (or volume discounts or anything else) is still such a mind blowingly stupid decision in every respect. It's forced developers to make some tough choices unnecessarily, and IAP and subs are one way to go at it.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:25 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #58

pvg wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy 1Password 7 standalone right now.

Where is that information on their website?

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal to something or do you actually need help finding it?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by PakG1 » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:25 PM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #40

PakG1 wrote: post #33

With all these subscription-only apps that are proliferating, I am curious how many enterprising app developers would be interested in making and marketing "cloudless" apps that rely on up-front high prices for revenue, but neverending free updates (mostly bug fixes, I would hope). With GDPR, this seems like it would be actually be easier to deliver. Of course growth numbers may suck, given how hard it is to make it…

> I'm myself thinking of making an app like this for budget tracking, just because I haven't found any out there these days that don't require neverending subscriptions and also fit my unique needs. Did you try GnuCash? It's not user friendly but a friend of mine swears by it. https://www.gnucash.org/

Target user will also be my wife who would really love a super user friendly app. Figure it'd be a good test of my design skills also. I've really only made enterprise stuff in the past where good UI was not really paramount, as long as it was usable. Would love to get better at that too. So this is really just an exercise in my mind at the moment, nothing more.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:25 PM UTC

PakG1 wrote: post #33

With all these subscription-only apps that are proliferating, I am curious how many enterprising app developers would be interested in making and marketing "cloudless" apps that rely on up-front high prices for revenue, but neverending free updates (mostly bug fixes, I would hope). With GDPR, this seems like it would be actually be easier to deliver. Of course growth numbers may suck, given how hard it is to make it…

Have you tried ledger-cli for budgeting?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by majidazimi » Sun, May 20, 2018, 3:26 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #25

drej wrote: post #23

I honestly can’t remember when I last paid for 1Password, yet I use it on my Mac and iOS devices (since 2011 it seems!). It never prompts me, it just works. I don’t follow the pricing policy changes, the only thing I know is I don’t want a subscription. I just want to pay for this great piece of software. So I hope this just means I’ll shell out $50 or so and be done for a few years? If so, then great.

It doesn't mean that, they are aggressively making sure it will never mean that again, and it definitely won't be fifty bucks for a few years. (It's $36/yr.)

Office 365 gives you a full office suite (including outlook) + 1TB of online storage + 50GB ad-free mail for 70$/year. According to complexity rules, 1Password shall ask for 36$/century.