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Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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This article fails to mention another reason; cities in Finland are built in such a way that going to the library is feasible. I've lived in both Finland and the U.S., and commuting in Finland is much easier. Commuting in U.S. cities takes a lot more energy, and the thought of it is often painful, so people just don't go in the first place. At least where I live...

Below is Seinäjoki main library as mentioned above: https://www.google.com/maps/search/library/@62.785737,22.838... Can you elaborate how it's easier to get there than says one in Fairfax, a dense suburb of DC in Northern Virginia? https://www.google.com/maps/place/City+of+Fairfax+Regional+L...

I've never visited Seinäjoki nor Fairfax, so no, not really. But I can elaborate on why I said what I said...

Overall Finnish cities tend to be built up instead of out. I've lived in Jyväskylä, Tampere, and Kuopio, and each of these had reliable bus systems and minimal traffic compared to any U.S. city I've lived in. Finnish cities also tend to include a decently robust bike/walk path within cities while here in the U.S. we mostly limit ourselves to sidewalks.

The U.S. is huge, and the states are diverse, so I'm sure my experience is anecdotal, but my observation have lived in Colorado, Louisiana, Maryland, and the aforementioned cities is that Finnish municipal planning is approached much differently than any other U.S. city I have ever lived in or visited.

That it just my experience. This site will let you play around with some stats, though I have no idea how accurate they are: https://web.archive.org/web/20140309232920/http://data.world...

Note that most Finnish vehicles use diesel fuel. There is a different category for that if you choose to explore the site. But you can see that overall automobile usage is much higher in the U.S., and we have built an infrastructure that supports it (built out).

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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The buildings are certainly spectacular, but the pictures in the article show an awful lot of building with a small bookshelf here and there. My notion of a great library is a space packed with books :-)

Books? In a library? Sounds like something out of the 20th century...

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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Well, library budget cuts are not unheard of in Finland either. The biggest cuts occurred in the big depression that hit the country in the early 1990s, and spending has never reached the same levels again. That said it's easy to believe that libraries are still better than in many other countries. They remain free, where others have introduced fees for the library card or for computer usage. A bit of background: Fin…

As a speaker of the least spoken language availanle on Google Translate (Icelandic), it never accured to me that language frequency could be tied to book prices; it makes perfect sense. A new book here can cost ~$50, which is why I prefer importing English-language books from the US.

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a comment breaks the guidelines, please flag it quietly. There's no need to worsen our discussions by amplifying irritation.

I'm not sure the user realized how inhumane the word-choice was. After all, it was just an adjective in an otherwise wrong, but rule-compliant comment. And "useless people" is not a rare expression in online discourse. I was aiming for "sarcastic", not "irritated".

Please just don't post like that at all. It only degrades the site further, regardless of how wrong or bad the original comment was.

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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Isn’t it also a point that a Finnish library desires to offer a free, public, commonwealth community center where people can break through the Bowling Alone syndrome of commerial, isolated, glowing screen head-down solitude, rather than just peruse a pile of books that are probably available on said glowing box? Sure, there are few areas of libraries to have conversations apart from meeting rooms, but at least people can have a place to be in closer proximity to others and hopefully propinquity that doesn’t involve shopping or eating.

It’s like Iceland have baths. The US has coffee shops (was shopping malls). Does Finland have libraries for this purpose?

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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Well, library budget cuts are not unheard of in Finland either. The biggest cuts occurred in the big depression that hit the country in the early 1990s, and spending has never reached the same levels again. That said it's easy to believe that libraries are still better than in many other countries. They remain free, where others have introduced fees for the library card or for computer usage. A bit of background: Fin…

> The observation that libraries are a place to socialize sounds strange to me. Except in the cafeteria, which exist only in the very biggest libraries, conversations are not allowed.

This. The local libraries in most small towns in Finland are very quiet. Still nice libraries, though.

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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I live in mid sized Finnish city with about 60 000 people (Seinäjoki) and library (built ~10 years ago) is one of those things you never hear people talking bad about. If I remember correctly our library served as an example when designing Oodi library in Helsinki since it portraits a "new library style" municipalities are reaching for. The goal was to get people to stay there instead of just fetching the article the…

FYI literature means "superior or lasting artistic merit." Maybe you think the latest Product Hunt forum page has superior or lasting merit, but it's hard to argue that anything posted here is artistic.

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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I live in mid sized Finnish city with about 60 000 people (Seinäjoki) and library (built ~10 years ago) is one of those things you never hear people talking bad about. If I remember correctly our library served as an example when designing Oodi library in Helsinki since it portraits a "new library style" municipalities are reaching for. The goal was to get people to stay there instead of just fetching the article the…

FYI literature means "superior or lasting artistic merit." Maybe you think the latest Product Hunt forum page has superior or lasting merit, but it's hard to argue that anything posted here is artistic.

It can also mean just printed-material/academic-papers. "I surveyed the literature on the subject". But yes, I agree with your nudge. But I could see myself saying "literature" tongue-in-cheek. :)

Re: Finland's cities are havens for library lovers

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I'm surprised by the 3d printing at libraries. Is this used much, and if so, what do people print?

It's great and we'll used in my library (outside Helsinki). Generally my perception is that it's a mix of kids printing silly things and adults printing spare parts and useful things. I've seen people print parts for their drones and some other odd spares. In my library they have 5 Ultimaker 2's and they are all in use most of the time. Worth nothing is that using them is free, and unsupervised, you just book them online and go there and plug your SD card or "lend" a card from the library to use with a dedicated 3d print computer.

You are required (or encouraged not sure) to do a quick intro course though where they show how to change color and start the print.

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