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Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by jonas21 »

lucb1e wrote: post #46
yongjik wrote: post #28

My favorite comment from TFA: > None of your math makes sense. All your measurements have only the consumption at one exact instant, not over time, the total energy used is the integral of the energy flow over time. You'd need to measure the consumption over time, or total discharge of the battery, to actually have the energy used to load a page (in J, not W, you can't measure the energy required to load a page in W)…

Everyone's dodging the point of the post (versus the exact numbers and terminology). As I said on reddit as well: > The issue is that the redesign uses more power across millions of devices, and that has an impact. > I might have gotten the exact number wrong, but the exact number doesn't matter that much. It's about it being a significant difference.

> I might have gotten the exact number wrong, but the exact number doesn't matter that much. It's about it being a significant difference.

Of course the exact number matters. Let's say you're off by a factor of 1000. Then the power difference isn't really worth worrying about.

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by bnolsen »

sverige wrote: post #12

I've been using the old format, only partly because of this. Mostly I just prefer the old look -- simpler, cleaner, easier.

Also fewer clicks and no drags required for me in the old interface. They pretty much hid all the useful navigation stuff.

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by kgwxd »

nilkn wrote: post #42

Between... * feeling completely overrun with sensationalized politics; * the new design feeling sluggish and painful even on my maxed out late-2016 MBP; * the general community feeling more hostile and downvote-heavy than ever before; * and the content being increasingly image-, video-, and meme-focused... reddit has really lost a lot of its magic and appeal to me. I do still use it, but I find it almost intolerable…

"I don't really know what the solution is."

"HN is a considerably higher quality site IMHO, but also considerably more focused and with much stronger moderation."

I think that's the key, making a site specifically not for everyone. Community sites, built around something tangible that a semi-large group of people have an affinity for, is what I'd like to see more of. I've spent more time on atariage.com than /r/atari this month because the redesign pushed me away. I took me almost 2 weeks to get my account approved on AtariAge but I didn't mind because a) I know they're busying doing other things than worrying about how to squeeze every last dime out of my page views and b) there was plenty of quality content for me to consume in the mean time. I will eventually be buying at least $100 worth of Homebrew carts through them and, even though I don't know how much they make off that, it will likely be infinitely more than Reddit ever made off me.

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by vokep »

meesterdude wrote: post #58
frfl wrote: post #22

Anyone from reddit's dev team reading this? Or youtube's dev team, because my question applies to both. The previous design was great. The new version of both sites is slow, sluggish and provides me with no benefit. Why was the change implemented? The previous design wasn't broken! How's the user feedback? A/B testing really indicated to you this was a good choice?! If you have any insight -- I'm sure this was a deci…

> Why was the change implemented? There's no easy back peddling from a year of development. It may be crap, but they put so much time & effort into it they can't turn back now - even if a lot of users hate it. They're also working more on becoming an Advertising platform, and this redesign allows for more flexibility there, like linkedin's auto-play videos when scrolling into view.

None of that justifies it. They wasted their time, so now everyone has to pay? I don't think so. If the old design wasn't easy to go back to, I'd only view reddit through API based things (app) at this point.

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by greggyb »

kowdermeister wrote: post #48
rland wrote: post #14

I do not understand what extra functionality is gained by making the site so much slower. I go on Reddit primarily for text content. Threaded comments and HTML tags. WHY does it NEED to be so SLOW? For this degree of sluggishness, it feels like you could build a site that fulfills all of reddit's functionality—and have a crypto miner running in the background.

Do you REALLY think they engineered it intentionally slow?

A couple of statements followed by a point.

Performance is readily acknowledged as a feature.[0]

There are gradations of intentionality and prioritization.

I don't think anyone said, "Let's make the thing slow." That being said, there was definitely someone(s) out there intentionally prioritizing something(s) other than performance.

[0] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=performance+is+a+feature&

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by meesterdude »

Scoundreller wrote: post #37

Reddit's Digg moment!

I was hesitant to think/say this, because it is a different beast.... but the more i read about what other people think, as well as my own usage of it - it might be. Although to be fair, reddit has had it's fair share of past dramas too.

I think it's time we move beyond reddit and build something bigger and better. It was nice while it lasted.

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by vokep »

kowdermeister wrote: post #48
rland wrote: post #14

I do not understand what extra functionality is gained by making the site so much slower. I go on Reddit primarily for text content. Threaded comments and HTML tags. WHY does it NEED to be so SLOW? For this degree of sluggishness, it feels like you could build a site that fulfills all of reddit's functionality—and have a crypto miner running in the background.

Do you REALLY think they engineered it intentionally slow?

Yes they did, by not engineering it to be intentionally fast.

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

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Post by hunter23 »

lucb1e wrote: post #46
yongjik wrote: post #28

My favorite comment from TFA: > None of your math makes sense. All your measurements have only the consumption at one exact instant, not over time, the total energy used is the integral of the energy flow over time. You'd need to measure the consumption over time, or total discharge of the battery, to actually have the energy used to load a page (in J, not W, you can't measure the energy required to load a page in W)…

Everyone's dodging the point of the post (versus the exact numbers and terminology). As I said on reddit as well: > The issue is that the redesign uses more power across millions of devices, and that has an impact. > I might have gotten the exact number wrong, but the exact number doesn't matter that much. It's about it being a significant difference.

How do you know it's a significant difference if you haven't measured it correctly?

Re: Reddit's redesign increases power usage of user's devices

#70

Post by dredmorbius »

meesterdude wrote: post #58
frfl wrote: post #22

Anyone from reddit's dev team reading this? Or youtube's dev team, because my question applies to both. The previous design was great. The new version of both sites is slow, sluggish and provides me with no benefit. Why was the change implemented? The previous design wasn't broken! How's the user feedback? A/B testing really indicated to you this was a good choice?! If you have any insight -- I'm sure this was a deci…

> Why was the change implemented? There's no easy back peddling from a year of development. It may be crap, but they put so much time & effort into it they can't turn back now - even if a lot of users hate it. They're also working more on becoming an Advertising platform, and this redesign allows for more flexibility there, like linkedin's auto-play videos when scrolling into view.

Sunk cost fallacy.
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