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The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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How can you not love this: > HP typically priced their equipment at the cost of the material list × π (or in an especially competitive market, list × e)

At most hardware companies, this is the starting point. As in, a flat multiple is the baseline, before S&M and other overheard costs are re-integrated by Finance into product cost.

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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When I was growing up in the early 80s, my engineer father had an HP-35 that he adored. He ultimately added an HP-12c, too, and when I was in middle school I was gifted an HP-32sii. I was the only weirdo using RPN. :) I upgraded to an HP-48g in high school when everyone else was using Ti-82.

I can't really think of any other company or product line I've had such a longstanding relationship with. FWIW, I still have both of my HP calculators and they work great!

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An anecdote about the HP-35, from the HP Museum ( http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp35.htm ): > The HP-35 had numerical algorithms that exceeded the precision of most mainframe computers at the time. [...] This forced time-consuming manual comparisons of results to mathematical tables. A few bugs got through this process. For example: 2.02 ln e^x resulted in 2 rather than 2.02. When the bug was discovered, HP had already sol…

That letter should be required reading and the anecdote further cements the 'fish rots from the head' proverb as accurate. After all, without ethics at the top there is no corrective action against such relatively minor nudges in the wrong direction and over time that will accumulate until you get a completely different version of the company. One that will never ever have the kind of stature that HP enjoyed.

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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100K units in the first year, vs your king of consumer electronics today: the iPhone, which pre-sells and ships 100K units in what, several minutes? I understand not everyone buys calculators, but that’s sort of the point of the article that this was marketed as a ‘consumer’ electronics product rather than scientific equipment. Also there’s much less friction and much more marketing today, but it’s wild to imagine ho…

That's Moore's law in action over the longer term. A device like the iPad back when the HP-35 was introduced would have been (1) impossible to make and (2) would have cost millions of $ given the number of transistors in the device (besides the fact that the internet is what makes an iPad useful).

You really can't compare those numbers, yes, the HP was a consumer device, but the manufacturer of any consumer device back then would have been happy to sell in those numbers.

The good news is now it can be yours for under $2 if you already have an iPhone:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rpn-35-sd/id956224485?mt=8

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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An anecdote about the HP-35, from the HP Museum ( http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp35.htm ): > The HP-35 had numerical algorithms that exceeded the precision of most mainframe computers at the time. [...] This forced time-consuming manual comparisons of results to mathematical tables. A few bugs got through this process. For example: 2.02 ln e^x resulted in 2 rather than 2.02. When the bug was discovered, HP had already sol…

Oh, how things have changed. In fact reading the whole article made me wish for a return to a time where people took this much pride in what they made.

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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I'm in the age group that spans the end of the slide rule with the beginnings of calculators and personal computers. As a high school senior, trigonometry was the highest math class and we learned to use the slide rule in it. I still have the one my dad bought me for my birthday that year. In college freshman calculus, I remember one guy brought his HP-35 to class and everyone else being awed and amazed by it, including the professor. It was too expensive for me but I was able to buy a TI-50 the next year. Functional but it wasn't an HP.

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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I have my dad's slide rule, and his HP-35. He's a retired industrial research scientist. At my dad's workplace, every scientist had a Friden 55. The managers compared the price of the HP to the annual service contract on the Friden, and bought an HP to try out. They were going to let each scientist have it for a week, then pass it on to the next person. Instead, after just a couple weeks, the Fridens were all in the…

Awesome. It's proving a little tricky to find a picture and/or more info about the Friden 55. All I'm getting is other models. Was it mechanical? (Hopefully some of them ended up in attics, they sound mildly interesting even if just from a historical-interest retrospective standpoint)

Aha, I found more hits when I entered "Friden STW." I don't know where I got the "55" from.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah...

It's fully mechanical and can do addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. I saw one of these things work, and it was quite an experience. There's a YouTube here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKm9eM2BuM0

And a few people have published images of the service manual.

My dad said that while the Friden was accurate, it was not portable or quick, and he usually used his slide rule, notebook, and graph paper. For a chemist, slide rule accuracy was usually sufficient.

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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I bought a HP-42S in West Germany in 1989, my first trip to the West when I was 14 (I was Hungarian at the time, now that's fixed, I am Canadian). Oh the memories. Later, 1995, I got a HP 48G via Usenet (eBay opened the month when it arrived from the USA so it's not like I could've bought it there). A friend of mine have soldered four 128K SRAMs in there, stacked, with most legs just ran together vertically with the…

I'm a proud 42S owner as well. I keep it safe in a drawer and use the Free42 build on iOS in my pocket:

http://thomasokken.nl/free42/

Re: The HP-35: Consumer Electronics, an Origin Story

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Ha ha, practically? She did. Keysight is what’s left of the original HP. HP is now known for garbage computers and shitty printers.

And calculators...?

The new calculators are abominations, with the exception of the 35s. I use those at work, so I didn’t have to break the seal on a 32Sii; the precious.
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