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Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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Unregulated capitalism, perhaps. However, I don't think the US has capitalism (well-regulated or otherwise) today. Today we have a system where gains are privatized, losses are socialized, and market-participants can coerce their elected officials to tilt the market in their favor. This is not capitalism.

Capitalism is simply the private ownership of resources and production for profit. We have that. We could certainly do it better, though.

Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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This is a bit similar to claiming that communism is great, because all the times when it was tried and there were problems weren't real communism. If capitalism tends to inevitably lead to corruption of government and the undermining of democracy etc in the long run, then that's an interesting critique, which can't just be swatted away with "yes but the result isn't capitalism".

If capitalism tends to inevitably lead to corruption of government That's a pretty big if.

Yes it is - but my point is that it is a reasonable discussion to have, and any attempt to avoid even having the discussion by saying "oh it isn't my theoretical pure capitalism" doesn't work.

Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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Simple answer: No. More nuanced answer: not exactly. Not Capitalism per-se anyway. But clearly you can see an unhealthy degree of commingling of big government and big business, in a way that is damaging to society at large. But to my mind: a. that's corruption, not capitalism b. that's an argument against big government, not an argument against capitalism

Sounds like a "No True Capitalism" defense to me. Capitalism, like all other systems, can't exist in a vacuum. You must consider the human factor and the likelihoods it will produce.

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Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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Capitalism and free market are two things. I wished people would be more specific with words. Many things happened together so things were conflated. The core idea of capitalism is that ownership of companies is based on invested capital not people. Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company I think it's better to discuss individual things like private property, capital ownership of companies, monopoli…

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Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit similar to claiming that communism is great, because all the times when it was tried and there were problems weren't real communism. If capitalism tends to inevitably lead to corruption of government and the undermining of democracy etc in the long run, then that's an interesting critique, which can't just be swatted away with "yes but the result isn't capitalism".

If capitalism tends to inevitably lead to corruption of government That's a pretty big if.

It's absolutely true.

Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit similar to claiming that communism is great, because all the times when it was tried and there were problems weren't real communism. If capitalism tends to inevitably lead to corruption of government and the undermining of democracy etc in the long run, then that's an interesting critique, which can't just be swatted away with "yes but the result isn't capitalism".

If capitalism tends to inevitably lead to corruption of government That's a pretty big if.

I would argue capitalism (or any economic system really) always corrupts government, it's just a matter of degree.

Farmer A gives free goats (or his daughter in marriage) to farmer B who is in charge of allocating newly acquired tribal farmland. Farmer A gets a good, fertile pasture with a stream, farmer Z might get a bunch of rocky hillside.

Re: Is capitalism a threat to democracy?

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Simple answer: No. More nuanced answer: not exactly. Not Capitalism per-se anyway. But clearly you can see an unhealthy degree of commingling of big government and big business, in a way that is damaging to society at large. But to my mind: a. that's corruption, not capitalism b. that's an argument against big government, not an argument against capitalism

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