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The Jon Stewart Decade

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Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Of course because your understanding of becks general manner comes from the daily show. That's the waht's brilliant about this form of political propaganda- it makes you think your engaging in critical thinking awhile spoon feeding falsehoods to you, to the point that you would sincerely judge the accuracy of the show solely on your understanding derived from the show! You think yore well informed, but you don't even…

"Of course because your understanding of becks general manner comes from the daily show." Nope. I watched him on HLN, then for a while on Fox.

Thank you for remoinding me: never argue with a leftist, they'll just lie.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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> Oh, Stewart & Co. enjoy a lowbrow laugh as much as the folks over at South Park; heck, next week they’re publishing a book that includes some excellent masturbation jokes. But Stewart and The Daily Show became America’s sharpest political satirists by aiming at least a little bit higher. Oddly coincidental that if Matt Stone & Trey Parker of South Park fame read this, their response would be "Thanks for the kick in…

Perhaps the South Park and Daily Show comparison is just there because they both are running on Comedy Central.

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> Oh, Stewart & Co. enjoy a lowbrow laugh as much as the folks over at South Park; heck, next week they’re publishing a book that includes some excellent masturbation jokes. But Stewart and The Daily Show became America’s sharpest political satirists by aiming at least a little bit higher. Oddly coincidental that if Matt Stone & Trey Parker of South Park fame read this, their response would be "Thanks for the kick in…

It would be a blatant lie to say that South Park doesn't use gross out humor as one of it's primary tools.

Scott Tenorman Must Die is still their best episode ever.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Don't feed the troll. This guy is clearly stuck in 1950's McCarthy-land and thinks Godwin's law is a guidebook, not a admonishment of sloppy thinking. You'll only be debating your grandfather here.

Godwins law doesn't exist. If you bothered to know what You were talking a out you'd know Godwin never made any such law. It is an excuse for holocaust deniers to refuse to admit that the Nazi party was real and did exist and therefore the causes and situations relevant to their existence are worth considering. Notice also, I did not make any comparison to hitler, i asked how he thought the German people let Nazis co…

I care for debate, but just to be clear not with insane conspiracy theorists who respond to every claim with "socialism! fascists! lies! nazis!".

Let me short circuit any possible debate anybody will have with you. You have nothing of substance to say, and are not willing to learn anything beyond the tiny bubble of self-selected extremest rhetoric and talking points you've constructed for yourself. Any engagement with you is preordained to end in a flame war full of allusions to Nazis and Communists with you painted as a Bastian of goodness, carefully lecturing the ignorant masses in the one true path you've discovered for yourself. Any statement against you is clearly made by a moron trying to spread lies and deceit.

You believe you know everything but don't even seem to be aware of anything -- least of which is that you come across like a nutter.

Go get a life and leave HN out of your bumbling, ignorant, sheep-like rantings. Find a place in the countryside away from people and stop inflicting yourself on humanity.

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Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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> I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. Nope. They often have interviews under false pretenses (the interviewee doesn't know he is from the daily show). The questions and the persons facial expressions) is often edited in afterwards.

Can you cite this?

http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/04/14/behind-the-scenes-ffrf...

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> Of interviews with politicians which they obtained under false pretences? Why do you say that? I've watched TDS since before Stewart was the host. I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. They stage and prompt their interviewees to make the interviews more fun. "Say, 'I like Cocaine'" "I like Cocaine" Only morons believe it's a real news show. But it does a fabulous jo…

> I think it's pretty clear they are a comedic satire show when they do their interviews. Nope. They often have interviews under false pretenses (the interviewee doesn't know he is from the daily show). The questions and the persons facial expressions) is often edited in afterwards.

Not according to John Oliver; every pre-arranged interviewee knows exactly who they will be speaking with and what their schtick is. Man-on-the-street interviewees are told they're with The Daily Show, but it's on them to know what that is.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1222483...

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Don't even bother engaging him anymore, he's just regurgitating conspiracy theories that float around in right-wing circles as a way to explain their often public embarrassments.

> he's just regurgitating conspiracy theories that float around in right-wing circles as Firstly, I am not "right wing". I am libertarian and socially liberal. > as a way to explain their often public embarrassments. This is exactly the idiocy that I was talking about. Note that you put everyone in an "us" and "them" basket. I do not care what the content of the program is, as long as it is objective. Unfortunately m…

This is probably my last response to you and I'm trying to say this without coming across as mean.

First off, there are no serious claims anywhere that TDS misrepresents itself when filming interviews. People here have asked for citations of your claim several times and you've failed to respond. Please stop regurgitating nonsense. This isn't the place for it.

While I enjoy your willingness to engage on some level, and not immediately degenerate every posting into a Godwin's law violation, you really have a terrible awful lot to learn. I don't mean this in a "if only you knew more about the brilliance of leftist politics, the truth would become obvious" sort of way. I mean this completely apolitically. You actually seem to be completely unawares what political parody, satire, irony, sarcasm and comedy is, its history and how it works. The audience of TDS does know. You are clearly not the audience.

The Daily show has been broadcast in the U.S. for almost 15 years on a channel exclusively devoted to broadcasting comedy programming, it's one of the most popular and well known shows in America. It's commonly rebroadcast on the Internet, on other stations and other programs. Its host, Stewart appears often on popular competing and opposing shows. It's commonly derided by right-leaning talkshow hosts, news programs and commentary shows. It makes no claims to be a news show, unbiased or otherwise. Stewart himself has said on many occasions that he and the show are clearly left-leaning but make a concerted effort to make fun of all-sides. Despite their admitted left-lean, the show has gained a strong reputation among the right-leaning people as a place where they can have a fair conversation during the table-talk guest interviews. Every episode is available online, and youtube is practically clogged with TDS clips. It's won dozens upon dozens of major awards (I don't mean this as a point of legitimacy, but as a point of notoriety). It's well known in most English speaking countries and many non-English speaking countries. They even put this up at the beginning of every episode: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/TDSglobal.png. In other words, what it is, and what it serves is well and widely known by anybody who has ever watched it.

Stewart himself says of how they target the show, "Our show would not be valuable to people who didn't understand the news because it wouldn't make sense," he argues. "We make assumptions about your level of knowledge that... if we were your only source of news, you would just watch our show and think, 'I don't know what's happening.'"

Again, I'm not saying this to be mean spirited, but you are clearly not somebody who they are targeting for their audience. In order to understand the show, you have to be well informed about current events, people in the news, politics, who the major players are, and understand parody, satire, sarcasm, irony and comedy. You clearly don't fit into this mold and that's okay. I don't get the work of Mark Rothko, I'm clearly not the intended audience of his work either.

Your objection is that TDS is not an apolitical objective news program doesn't make any sense because you don't know and understand the things you have to know and understand to "get it", it's like complaining that my car is not a helicopter.

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We're not going to get anywhere with dueling anecdotes. And you're referencing things I don't recall, and I've been watching TDS for years. "But I guess that this is just how real journalism fades. Papers become bankrupt whilst people read online “news sources” such as Huffington Post or Alternet. News networks like CNN become Twitter Crazy and airs shows like The Daily Show." Journalism is doing fine. You're just lo…

Here's a citation: basically everything Stewart has said about beck is a flat out lie. Of course, Stewart is a socialist and to them, beck must be a theocrat and so they portray him as such, but realitybis, he believes in freedom of religion, not theocracy. He supports individual rights, unlike Jon stewart. So Stewart makes stuff up about, selectively edits things out of contexts, and makes fun of him. The liberals w…

This comment sums up the reasons why the Internet is both the greatest and worst thing humankind has ever created.

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Did you seriously just compare The Daily Show to Nazi Propaganda films? (And there's no way I accept that it's a socialist hate campaign... that's straight out of Glenn Beck rhetoric land).

Absolutely, and I say this as one who studied many semesters in college the films of Germany, Nazi, pre-Nazi and post Nazi. Of course you won't accept it as a socialist hate campaign. Do you think that Germans are genetically predisposed to fascism? Do you think they are weak or inferior to Americans in some way? How is it, do you suppose, that they let Nazis take power, and commit such massive crimes?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so here's a bunny with a pancake on its head.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bunny%20pancake/DKaidian/...

Re: The Jon Stewart Decade

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Why does socialism == hate campaign? What is the association between them? There is a huge difference between a Democrat/liberal person and a socialist, and a huge difference between socialists and facists, and all of them are short of being Nazis. Anyone standing on the right, painting everyone to their left as socialist Nazis trying to destroy America are completely out of touch.

Omg, do you know Nazi is short for? Nationalist socialists. It is a socialist party. Fascism differs from socialism only in the businesses being titularly in private hands, but they are completely controlled by the government in both. I think it is quite sad to see so many people who are clearly ignorant about this history using their ignorance as a justification to call me names.

That's what NAZI stands for? OMG, I HAD NO IDEA.

Of course that's what Nazi stands for. Lets ignore that they were really bad at being socialist among other things, when you think of Nazis what is the first thing you think of? If you are a normal person, it is WW2, the holocaust, death camps, abuse of POWs, Jews (basically everyone), etc.

What does that have to do with their economic policy?

Would you be OK with the Nazis if they cut taxes and reduced regulation? Of course not. The issue with the Nazis is not what they did economically, but what they did militarily.

Socialism is just a set of economic beliefs. And clearly you don't understand them.

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